Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Lily Emilio]

Just got the quest unlocked. I guess I'll try to stall with Benienma + Tamamo + support Merlin and see how it goes.

[rxrx]

You need level 10 Bravery and EoTM though

[Trubo]

Imma gonna try it with muh Herc

Would the number reach? I figure itnwould but not sure (NP5 lvl 100 btw)

Didn't look at 100 Herk, but since 80 NP5 Herk's crits were a minimum of 300k, then I wouldn't hold much hope unless you're aiming for perfect damage rolls 4 times.

[manafusion]

Stall with Waver + Merlin + Jeanne worked. After Mashu died.

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From the looks of it, she only applies the 90% Heal Power Down debuff only during the first turn... Hope I don't jinx it as I'm only wave 29.

[Trubo]

Actually, 100 NP5 Herk can do with that Beowulf's setup but swapping the Merlin CEs for mlb Golden Carps, just needs average damage rolls for everything in worst case.

[KAIZA]

Already checked the numbers, literally impossible for her to do it. The only Servants that can OTKO Kingprotea turn 1 of the fight are Beowulf and Kintoki, both of which pretty much need to be NP5 unless you're factoring in level 100 and 2k Attack Four, in which case NP3 works for Kintoki. A mlb Versus would make things better since more Attack and better Power Up bonus.

A shame...she's pretty much my only NP5 Lv. 100 2K Zerker. :/

[castor212]

Alright lemme try that shit

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You need level 10 Bravery and EoTM though

What kind of a deviant would lvl 100 somebody wo lvl10 ing all of their skills

[Rafflesiac]

Already checked the numbers, literally impossible for her to do it. The only Servants that can OTKO Kingprotea turn 1 of the fight are Beowulf and Kintoki, both of which pretty much need to be NP5 unless you're factoring in level 100 and 2k Attack Four, in which case NP3 works for Kintoki. A mlb Versus would make things better since more Attack and better Power Up bonus.

What if you use a CS for NP? Does that widen the selection any?

[Trubo]

What if you use a CS for NP? Does that widen the selection any?

Probably lets all the Buster Berserkers that are SR or higher pull it off, but not about the check those numbers right now.

[Oz1337]

If you only have Skadi and Tamamo from the usual buffers, and not Merlin and Waver, what is an ideal setup for a one-shot?

[Trubo]

If you only have Skadi and Tamamo from the usual buffers, and not Merlin and Waver, what is an ideal setup for a one-shot?

Stalling for a few rounds of Special Defense Down debuffs on Kingprotea because you're not going to be capable of nuking Kingprotea turn 1 with just the NP. Buster Berserkers work because of Buster Crits.

[Oz1337]

How many Special Defense Down would I need if I have Lancer Scathach at NP1?

[Trubo]

A few I'd imagine. I don't know how potent that Special Defense Down thing is, but NP5 Scathach (20 Versus) with Wu + double Skadi and all debuffs landing is ~924k or something minimum damage turn 1 for reference.

[Oz1337]

If I use LB BHG and use a CS, what numbers should I expect?

[Aozaki-desu]

same because there is no functional difference between versus and bhg aside from atk difference

[Trubo]

Black Grail is strictly worse than Versus for 1 turn setup since no NP can possibly reach 2M damage. You want Versus so that it provides only slightly less NP damage than a 100 BG in exchange for better crit numbers.

[manafusion]

How many Special Defense Down would I need if I have Lancer Scathach at NP1?

At wave 76, my NP2 Musashi with only self-buff and Lostbelt MC can kill her with just her NP. Personally, I find that if you're stalling for this long, you probably can also easily charge her NP up every single turn. Arts Third Jeanne with crit and Arts First whilst being afflicted with the NP Gain Down debuff = 160% NP, I think. :shrug:

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Just a tip in that the Special Defense Down is actually more nuanced such that it also has NP Gain Up for anyone attacking her.

[Oz1337]

Okay, thanks Trubo and manafusion. Guess I'm stalling her and then use a support Merlin with a Berserker once I'm ready to BBB her. Stalling is fortunately not an idsue since I have both Tamamo and Jeanne.

[rxrx]

Black Grail is strictly worse than Versus for 1 turn setup since no NP can possibly reach 2M damage. You want Versus so that it provides only slightly less NP damage than a 100 BG in exchange for better crit numbers.

Versus suits Kins since he has a +50NP unlike Beo who needs some help to do a NPBB crit buster brave chain.

[Aozaki-desu]

Oh shit i can go full nobu on her ass
i'm rushing to this quest tonight
time for some
ROCK
N
ROLL