Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Aozaki-desu]

because i thought kaleido caps at 711 at l20

[Trubo]

Also, smh forgetting that Miyu also gives 30% gauge to another.

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because i thought kaleido caps at 711 at l20

Ah. Nope, 711 is 15, and 15 is what you'll hit if you feed a CE 4x SSR CEs and don't hit great/super success.

[Bobin]

Rider star weight seems like a disadvantage for a support type to work against. Good for NP spam but not anything else.

[Aozaki-desu]

Also, smh forgetting that Miyu also gives 30% gauge to another.

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Ah. Nope, 711 is 15, and 15 is what you'll hit if you feed a CE 4x SSR CEs and don't hit great/super success.

Miyu has no offensive buffs so she might as well not exist

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so i made a table for red macro team variants

If cost / using plug is not the issue and you can get class advantage, MWR with Aerial Dive should be able to clear just about any node given NP2
and even NP1 is viable i think

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and, FUN FACT, AOE Buster has a 50% charger servant in every class except assassin so you can farm any node except Rider that way!
If you got them SSR ofc
oh and if Arash has sufficient W1 damage i suppose

[Trubo]

But yeah, Siegfried in practice will only beat Mordred, assuming equal NP levels, when you're looking at 1 NP and, for whatever reason, aren't giving Mordred a more optimal CE. For example of an optimal CE situation: Siegfried with 20 Kaleidoscope vs Mordred with 20/100 Aerial Drive, both assuming level 10 skills and any non-Altera the Sun(ta) 20% gauge filler (just going to use Waver since simple. Exclude Altera the Sun(ta) since she gives Power Up, which none of the other 20% fillers do from what I remember).

• NP5 Siegfried = [(8181+786+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.8) * 1.5+500] = 109125 average neutral against Saber
• NP5 Mordred (20 AD) = [(11723+786+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.1) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.1) * 1.8+500] = 115665 average neutral against Saber
• NP5 Mordred (100 AD) = [(11723+2000+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.1) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.1) * 1.8+500] = 126014 average neutral against Saber

Altera the Sun(ta) would result in less damage for both, but would be significantly less for Siegfried since it'd be adding to his already high Power Up bonus (97484 vs 112749/122881).

If you want to look on the extreme side of things (both with 100 BG, plugsuit, and whatever supports needed to hit 100% gauge and max buffs, going 3rd in a NP chain where you have NP5 Waver and/or Reines):

• NP5 Siegfried (1x Waver + 1x Reines + 1x Merlin) = [(8181+2400+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.5+.5) * (1+.8+.8) * 1.75 +500] = 633138 average neutral to Saber
• NP5 Mordred (1x Waver + 2x Merlin) = [(11723+2400+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.5+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.2+.2+.3+.3+.5) * (1+.8) * 2+500] = 704853 average neutral to Saber

[Lobo]

Oh lol i didn't realize Yvette is in the 3 star CE

Caules too if you haven't spotted him

[Bobin]

Now that I’ve had the luck of getting Luvia and the Sakuras, I’m feeling regret for not putting trying harder for Sitonai. Didn’t think this far ahead.

[GundamFSN]

It's the face. It looks... hard to describe in her non-FA art. The eyes, specifically. I don't have this issue with her FA and think it's gorgeous, but the other 3 arts... just too weird.

Yeah my only qualm is her face. She looks...masculine I guess the way I'd put it.

[The Geek]

The one issue I can think of with Luvia's art is that her face seems very thin. Other than that I really like it, I love how that artist colors. Also props for giving Luvia the muscles she deserves. Need to make a team of her, Okita Alter, and Penthesilia. Team Muscle Girls.

[Swiftstar88]

Eresh farming teams? ISHTAR FARMING TEAMS? i need to make more tables

I'd roll for her for this reason alone.

so i made a table for red macro team variants

If cost / using plug is not the issue and you can get class advantage, MWR with Aerial Dive should be able to clear just about any node given NP2
and even NP1 is viable i think

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and, FUN FACT, AOE Buster has a 50% charger servant in every class except assassin so you can farm any node except Rider that way!
If you got them SSR ofc
oh and if Arash has sufficient W1 damage i suppose

Is the table not working for anyone else besides me?

[TwilightsCall]

No, that link is super broken lol

[Lobo]

Some art by the official artists

[Aozaki-desu]

idk how i managed to fuck up a link but i fixed it

[Aozaki-desu]

But yeah, Siegfried in practice will only beat Mordred, assuming equal NP levels, when you're looking at 1 NP and, for whatever reason, aren't giving Mordred a more optimal CE. For example of an optimal CE situation: Siegfried with 20 Kaleidoscope vs Mordred with 20/100 Aerial Drive, both assuming level 10 skills and any non-Altera the Sun(ta) 20% gauge filler (just going to use Waver since simple. Exclude Altera the Sun(ta) since she gives Power Up, which none of the other 20% fillers do from what I remember).

• NP5 Siegfried = [(8181+786+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.8) * 1.5+500] = 109125 average neutral against Saber
• NP5 Mordred (20 AD) = [(11723+786+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.1) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.1) * 1.8+500] = 115665 average neutral against Saber
• NP5 Mordred (100 AD) = [(11723+2000+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.1) * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.1) * 1.8+500] = 126014 average neutral against Saber

Altera the Sun(ta) would result in less damage for both, but would be significantly less for Siegfried since it'd be adding to his already high Power Up bonus (97484 vs 112749/122881).

If you want to look on the extreme side of things (both with 100 BG, plugsuit, and whatever supports needed to hit 100% gauge and max buffs, going 3rd in a NP chain where you have NP5 Waver and/or Reines):

• NP5 Siegfried (1x Waver + 1x Reines + 1x Merlin) = [(8181+2400+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.5+.5) * (1+.8+.8) * 1.75 +500] = 633138 average neutral to Saber
• NP5 Mordred (1x Waver + 2x Merlin) = [(11723+2400+1000) * 6 * 1.5 * (1+.5+.5+.5) * 0.23 * (1+.2+.2+.3+.3+.5) * (1+.8) * 2+500] = 704853 average neutral to Saber

If you just want to shoot numbers you need to go deeper and go full buffs bhg grailed np5 double merlin nero (though i suppose summer nero isnt optimal as something like waver with np would be 80% amp but i really dont want to include np5 wavers into calculations)
572k Mordred and 571k Siegfried which is lol

tbh no matter how you look at it NP damage difference is only slightly at on Mordred's side and she does have np charge
but Siegfried will have more powerful follow up crits if you into that sort of thing

i'd personally favor siegfried over mordred because he does have wider range of targets but for arturia slaying i'd say they are on equal ground all minor differences considered

[Oz1337]

It's kinda sad that apart from Avicebron, the rest are all 5*, meaning you're probably hitting a wall with cost issues for events.

I really wish the cost system wouldn't exist sometimes, there are some teams that I want to try but I can't because I go well over the limit (by usually 2 or 3 points).

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Miyu has no offensive buffs so she might as well not exist

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so i made a table for red macro team variants

If cost / using plug is not the issue and you can get class advantage, MWR with Aerial Dive should be able to clear just about any node given NP2
and even NP1 is viable i think

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and, FUN FACT, AOE Buster has a 50% charger servant in every class except assassin so you can farm any node except Rider that way!
If you got them SSR ofc
oh and if Arash has sufficient W1 damage i suppose

I don't see any saber that can charge for 50%

[Swiftstar88]

I don't see any saber that can charge for 50%

Suzuka if you wait long enough.

[R.Lock]

Suzuka if you wait long enough.

Slow claps

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So gameplay-wise, talking to someone on Discord, I learned that all three Servants in this event are kind of crap there. Like Reines really should be a Caster, Gray isn't a great Assassin, & Luvia is a "shittier QSH." Is this true?

Also the whole event feels rushed apparently.

They're stupid and should feel stupid for half-baking the analysis.

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I'm biting the bullet and slowly doing what I should have done long ago.

SL'ing all charge skills to 10.

[Bobin]

Mordred’s NP refund (20%) + skill (30%) effectively counts since you’re spamming it anyways.

[manafusion]

Given Reines' specifications, I feel like she's really meant to be paired with Berserkers since, for the most parts, they won't need the stars anyway and would rather use the "50% damage reduction" that is in the form of her class triangle disadvantage removal. Which is good since most supports really can't save a Berserker in a Challenge Quest from being roflstomped if they get targeted and got deleted by an accidental crit.