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    can avoid damage with invincibility, can cleanse self debuffs, punches through enemy defense skills with invincibility pierce, buster up for more damage, pgood OC for damage even at NP1 (I had a NP1 Musashi on alt)

    and of course buster damage all day every day but can still get NP gauge back up quick with use of second skill
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    Yeah if anything Shimosa actually make me realize Musashi isn't particularly that good in long/hard grindy fight, and she's extremely reliant on her 1st skill for NP. And I even have a NP 3 Musashi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikiri View Post
    What makes Musashi EX instead of A?

    I know she can deal nice damage and her skill can make her gain 100% NP with a bit of rng on our side, but I'm not entirely convinced, am I missing something?
    Gorilla Buster.
    Three separate multipliers for big numbers.
    Clears buffs and pierces invincibility.
    0 to 100 in one chain.

    And that's without considering Merlin yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    On its own it's okay, but with his first skill and his NP buffs and cycling between the two once he gets going it becomes superb.

    On his own he's serviceable, and with a dedicated team I can't see you dipping below 30 stars.
    i dont have much experience so okay

    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    ...Okay, but that's a highly hypothetical situation in which a player doesn't have any other AoE Servants with higher damage ceiling. And that'd still probably call for the use of a Buster memer rather than Kiara.
    no, thats highly hypotetical situation where player specifically looks for Arts AOE NP. Much more likely to happen than lacking AOE at all. And i'm not comparing it to buster teams either, there are reasons to build Buster and there are reasons to build arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikiri View Post
    What makes Musashi EX instead of A?

    I know she can deal nice damage and her skill can make her gain 100% NP with a bit of rng on our side, but I'm not entirely convinced, am I missing something?
    her kit is perfect and she deals insane damage.

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    In my experience Okki works well with self sustain quick units more than straight up DPS ones.
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    Musashi's kit is super overloaded lmao

    Invul Pierce, Buff Removal, Debuff Cleanse, Invulnerability, Innate NP power up, Double stargen/np gen, Gorilla Deck, and Buster up makes her the most blatantly broken saber in the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aozaki-desu View Post
    no, thats highly hypotetical situation where player specifically looks for Arts AOE NP. Much more likely to happen than lacking AOE at all. And i'm not comparing it to buster teams either, there are reasons to build Buster and there are reasons to build arts.
    Well, you lost me here. I never saw AoE Arts teams viable aside from some crack teams.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    Well, you lost me here. I never saw AoE Arts teams viable aside from some crack teams.
    i used Medjed to farm petals during nero fest and it was p fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikewl View Post
    i used Medjed to farm petals during nero fest and it was p fun
    Aside from farming, I mean.


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    I'd say Musashi deserves that spot if you're talking about just her one on one duelling capability. She doesn't work amazingly well in teams, though- unless the team's focused on supporting her, she's almost better off alone, and she has absolutely nothing that helps any teammates, but then again if you added a taunt or star gen/attraction to her kit she'd be even more broken than Waver/Merlin, in a way.

    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    I saw Marie solo'ing Tiamat, Hijikata challenge quest, Indian borthers challenge quest, Nerofest 2017 final challenge quest, and take at least 11 Herc lives when she had all taunters die in the Herc challenge.

    If you call Marie an amazing damage dealer after these feats, I'm gonna laugh myself to death.
    Marie gets about 5k damage per hit, on stuff she's strong against. IIRC, Kiara was getting something like 20k+ per Arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    Aside from farming, I mean.
    Isn't 99% of the game's content farming?
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    That was with an event-specific CE that raised Kiara's damage by 200% tho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    Aside from farming, I mean.
    Damaging Arts AoE NPs aren't useful for boss battles unfortunately, unless it's something similar to Shuten's NP that gives useful debuffs. Maybe if it's spammable enough to compensate for the lack of damage, but apart from Da Vinci-chan, I don't know any other Servant who can possibly do that.

    ST Arts, however, are another matter. My god if I enjoy going crazy with Chloe, Saber Lancelot and the recent Ryuutan.

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    playing this game for gameplay alone sounds sad. Play for your waifus and husbandos and your favorite servants. I use Support Musashi because Musashi is a beautiful Samurai lady who's artwork reminds me of Aoko Aozaki. Not because she's like the best saber in the game who murders everyone without a second glance and managed to ONE SHOT Scathatch in Nero Fest with Buster Crits, and then NP'd Cu to death, all in ONE TURN.....

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    also, anybody want to guess the 2017 Christmas Servant? for "inb4" and "I called it," rights...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aozaki-desu View Post
    No reason for that because Altera can match Okita's single target damage. Which is why she is A rank along with quite a few other Buster servants with AOE np who can also match single target damage with brave chains.
    Are you accounting for crits in your analysis, or just raw damage? Cause I agree that, in terms of raw damage, Altera can beat Okita, but the lack of crit damage up on Altera makes me favor Okita, even if her source is tied into her evasion skill.

    Guess I'd be fine with both being in A or both being in B.

    Dropping buster bomb is always easier than setting up NP spam team. Thats just harsh reality.
    Especially considering you can make do with support for that while for Saber Archer you have to have at least one ex support of your own, and you need right CE or damage / np gen gonna be poop.
    I don't think you absolutely need Tamamo and Waver for Saber Archer to do well. Granted, I'm hard pressed to think of really good alternatives beyond Mashu and Gilgamesh (Caster).

    Except she has survivability, low cooldown on her burst and guaranteed stun? i'm not even sure which Kintoki you are talking about but thinking about it that applies for both
    To get the most out of her first skill though, you have to be using a crit team setup. God Slayer is nice when there's Undead or Divine to hit, but I'm having trouble thinking of hard content bosses that had either of those traits, weren't Sabers, and Scathach was actually a good choice to bring.

    The guaranteed stun is nice on her NP, but getting her NP charged is not nearly as easy as it is for most of the other SSR Lancer options.

    Yes but she wont be able to keep your team alive by herself. You would run either Tamamo or Merlin or Waver for additional survivability and np charge and they can make do without Jeanne she cant make do without them. You cant just put Jeanne in and expect the team to survive without losses is exactly why she is not EX. I thought about it for a while.
    Merlin arguably can, but Tamamo and Waver certainly don't by themselves for long periods of time. As for Jeanne, her main use is to get Invincible up faster than what Merlin is capable. I wish that the NP interlude had also boosted her base healing amount, but debuff cleanse is a nice alternative since none of the other main supports provide this.

    Unlike Carmilla, Melt delivers on damage output.
    More because she's an Alter Ego than her skills or NP. With Mecha Eli-chan now available, I think Melt's value as a single target NP Alter Ego fell quite a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Yeah if anything Shimosa actually make me realize Musashi isn't particularly that good in long/hard grindy fight, and she's extremely reliant on her 1st skill for NP. And I even have a NP 3 Musashi
    More that a Musashi without any CEs to help her out and is generally not at max level isn't that great, but that can be said of most Servants.
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    And that's about it for interludes I can reasonably accomplish without using apples. Finished Shuten's and the lesbians' second interlude. Can probably get my last Caster to max level before maintenance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Just be lucky like me and get six stacks of crit up from the bond CE and tell me who has better crits then
    I am lucky unlike you because I just rolled Ishtar instead during the 9M campaign or whatever when I only had about sixty quartz.

    Anyway, about the tiers, I'd say Melt is probably only a B. Alter Egos only get a 50% boost and still take full damage. She's also a Quick based Servant and her overcharge effect is pretty unhelpful with its low values and only activating after damage. It takes both luck and good support for her to be able to NP spam and make good use of it. She's functional, but as a Quick Servant in a Buster metagame she feels left behind to me. The scaling on Melt Virus also disappoints me since it never gets better offensively.

    I'm not sure Ilya should be as high as she is. She barely does more than Xuanzang over the long term but offers significantly less to the party, which to me means she's less valuable and should probably drop a tier. Damage based Casters just aren't a good niche to be in and I don't feel like she really merits her current position at B. I guess they could both be in the same tier without them being considered equally strong, though.
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    Mecha Eli-chan's second skill is a straight up negative version of existing skills and her third purges invincibility and dodge


    that is kinda bad
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    2Trubo cuz i'm tired of quoting:
    >Okita-Altera
    Okita is 50% quick up and 50% crit up BNPB against 30% atk up for Altera's NPBB. Altera is okay in this situation in regards to damage.
    >Saber Archer
    in the case where you dont run either Waver or Tamamo your result will be lackluster and you lose comparision by default
    >Jeanne
    Waver offers you offence and defence. Tamamo can provide enough healing and other things if someone else provides defence. Jeanne offers you defence only and you still need more.
    >Melt
    I would be first to agree that Alter Ego is a cheat class but that does not invalidate Melt. Also, while Mecha Eli might be good there is no reason why her being good will make Melt worse. They do different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qinglong View Post
    Mecha Eli-chan's second skill is a straight up negative version of existing skills and her third purges invincibility and dodge


    that is kinda bad
    Her third skill removes defense buffs, not invincibility and dodge. It's still pretty BS because her first skill does give her a reasonable defense buff plus stars per turn, so you have to sacrifice that defense buff for a single turn of crits and NP up, something that other Servants aren't forced to except Hundred Face Hassan, which is her worst skill to the surprise of nobody.
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    When Babylonia came out, I got a second Gorgon Avenger. Is she worth NP2ing? I was thinking of using her for 40AP EXP/Mana Prism farming
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