Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Arha]

Oh wait I was reading what he had wrong. I was reading that 1.5x as effectively being 150% bonus, not a multiplier.

Annoying, forgot Moon Cancers had only three bars for NP. My full points team was not really equipped to take on Kiara, though Robin and BB still took round one. I guess I'll actually build a proper counter team for rounds two and three.

Also, having used support Jalter some since mine is underleveled, gotta say she isn't impressing me. Though that could be because I avoid Berserkers nowadays.

[manafusion]

Oh wait I was reading what he had wrong. I was reading that 1.5x as effectively being 150% bonus, not a multiplier.

Annoying, forgot Moon Cancers had only three bars for NP. My full points team was not really equipped to take on Kiara, though Robin and BB still took round one. I guess I'll actually build a proper counter team for rounds two and three.

Also, having used support Jalter some since mine is underleveled, gotta say she isn't impressing me. Though that could be because I avoid Berserkers nowadays.

She's very... single-minded. Focus on getting her NP while keeping her alive and NP the enemy down. Done, you've successfully used Summer Jeanne Alter. Now, move onto a better Servant than her.

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Honestly, her gimmick of burn application sucks since you need Tomoe to actually see decent performance from it or just get pathetic ticks of damage. And she isn't like her Avenger form in which she can't focus on Buster Brave crits and that's a demerit in my eyes.

[Altaris]

It's fine Abby still has garbo NP gain and skill cd and more party cost so MHXX is superior

[manafusion]

But XX requires those shiny new steels from LB2. Clearly, Abigail's better. For now.

[AmADo VII]

Abby is victim of Merlin and Tamamo.

[Huitante]

I hate how Aby&Lavi CE has mixed stats, it would have been a great CE to max otherwise.

While grinding remaining points I realized that I really dislike Summer Jeanne and glad I haven't rolled her

[Kotonoha]

Abigail is better because she's cute.

[Qinglong]

Abigail is better cause she answered my call twice for less than MHXX did


also hitting like wet paper is an inherent caster problem, outside of Kings Anya hits almost as hard as shez does

[Aozaki-desu]

Schez not only has good NP refund but also offer teamwide guts and King's trait servants are commonly used as bosses.

where's her challenge quest clears then

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also>anastasia w/o np interlude damage = schez with np interlude damage

[GundamFSN]

Let's say that she's as bad as pre buffed Shah so she can get mega buffed later.

Win-win.

[Trubo]

Anastasia hits like a wet paper. Da Vinci has no super mod and literally 0 NP refund. She is extremely reliant on her skills to gen NP.

Schez not only has good NP refund but also offer teamwide guts and King's trait servants are commonly used as bosses.

Scheherazade NP1 with varying stages of self-buffs, starting from all + against King-trait to no buffs/bonuses

[(9212+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.115+.3) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2) * 2] = 46071

[(9212+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.115+.3) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 23035

[(9212+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.115) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2) * 2] = 36303

[(9212+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.115) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 18151

Anastasia NP1 with and without buffs

[(10546+711+1000) * 4.5 * 1 * (1+.12+.5) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 22195

[(10546+711+1000) * 4.5 * 1 * (1+.12) * 0.9 * 0.23] = 12787

Da Vinci NP1 with and without buffs

[(10598+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.1) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3)] = 26906

[(10598+711+1000) * 6 * 1 * (1+.1) * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3)] = 21861

With buffs they all do roughly the same amount of damage against non-King traits. Scheherazade gets a noticeable damage boost against King-traits, but the large majority of King-traits aren't Assassins or Berserkers, so you'd generally be better off just using anyone with a better class and triangle bonus. You're right that Scheherazade will regen with her NP better than the other two, but Anastasia's NP only has 1 less hit/enemy, and both Anastasia and Da Vinci have instant NP gauge skills + Da Vinci's one skill that gives NP/turn, so I'd say that's balanced for the most part. Not to mention that you're going to be using them with either a Tamamo or Waver, which solves the lack of NP generation from NP on Anastasia and Da Vinci to a better extent than Scheherazade's lack of instant NP gauge or NP/turn. Then, as I mentioned before, the additional effects on Anastasia and Da Vinci NPs are far better than Scheherazade's.

Teamwide guts is largely overrated. If you need it once, you generally need it multiple times, and Iris does that better even with her horrible NP gen.

Isn't 1.3 for "Threat to Humanity" when skill's at lvl 1?

Guess I saw the amount of instant NP gauge she has and used it in place of the actual modifier. All this does is make MHXX stronger against Sabers (why not use an Archer though?) and an extremely limited number of enemies (helpful for story completion I guess). I still think that Abigail's NP is generally better because of the buff removal before damage, meaning she doesn't need to bother with needing Defense Ignore or Invincible Pierce.

She's very... single-minded. Focus on getting her NP while keeping her alive and NP the enemy down. Done, you've successfully used Summer Jeanne Alter. Now, move onto a better Servant than her.

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Honestly, her gimmick of burn application sucks since you need Tomoe to actually see decent performance from it or just get pathetic ticks of damage. And she isn't like her Avenger form in which she can't focus on Buster Brave crits and that's a demerit in my eyes.

Or you use her as you would Lu Bu, but with better survival, or Mecha Eli-chan as a NP nuke. She's probably more useful than Mecha Eli-chan against Rider/Caster/Assassin since her instant NP gauge skill doesn't need to be leveled to get the max NP gauge it can provide, plus better class modifier.

[manafusion]

Guess I saw the amount of instant NP gauge she has and used it in place of the actual modifier. All this does is make MHXX stronger against Sabers (why not use an Archer though?) and an extremely limited number of enemies (helpful for story completion I guess). I still think that Abigail's NP is generally better because of the buff removal before damage, meaning she doesn't need to bother with needing Defense Ignore or Invincible Pierce.

I-I'm sure that Notes. event will come and the enemies are all Foreigners. MHXX will finally shine. I believe! (But seriously, they need to expand and elaborate on who constitutes as 'Threat to Humanity'.)

[Raylen Cypher]

Teamwide guts is largely overrated. If you need it once, you generally need it multiple times, and Iris does that better even with her horrible NP gen.

I still hope for the solution to this one day besides Prisma Cosmos CE.

She'll only ever be relevant when Nerofest arrives and we need to brave the deadly storm of Hassans.

[manafusion]

Or you use her as you would Lu Bu, but with better survival, or Mecha Eli-chan as a NP nuke. She's probably more useful than Mecha Eli-chan against Rider/Caster/Assassin since her instant NP gauge skill doesn't need to be leveled to get the max NP gauge it can provide, plus better class modifier.

At least Lu Bu can buff himself to semi-decently gather stars for Buster Brave chain as well as a moderately low chance at stunning. She practically is just NP and burn.

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I still hope for the solution to this one day besides Prisma Cosmos CE.

Iri NP upgrade. Guts (2 use). You'll love it as much as you'll hate it.

[Raylen Cypher]

Iri NP upgrade. Guts (2 use). You'll love it as much as you'll hate it.

After each Guts is used up, their NP gauge is filled a bit. Make it happen DW.

[castor212]

SHes still a free NP5 berserker with high atk stat and an np gauge fill mang

Thats a very respextable set already imho

[TheMew]

I find that Abigail's skills are more better for party support and double Abby really fills the team NP gauge faster aside from the enemy debuffs and -enemy NP gauge stall.MHXX welcome addition for future quests though.

[Trubo]

At least Lu Bu can buff himself to semi-decently gather stars for Buster Brave chain as well as a moderately low chance at stunning. She practically is just NP and burn.

You're using Lu Bu's 3rd skill for that NP Damage Up far more than you're using it for the Crit Star Absorb, so there's not much difference between Lu Bu and Jeanne Alter (Berserker) playstyle for the most part.

SHes still a free NP5 berserker with high atk stat and an np gauge fill mang

Thats a very respextable set already imho

She's a slightly better Lu Bu, which I guess is better than Ryouma being a slightly worse Ushi.

[Pendant]

I've always found Abigail to be a little bit lackluster for all the hype, not like she's unusable or anything but whenever I use her I invariably come away thinking, "that was alright, but only just alright".

[AmADo VII]

I've always found Abigail to be a little bit lackluster for all the hype, not like she's unusable or anything but whenever I use her I invariably come away thinking, "that was alright, but only just alright".

if Abi had less skill CT and better NP gain she'd be unstoppable with Tamamo and Merlin.

of course DW doesn't want to make perfect offensive servant.