Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[larethian]

Rumi is so lulz.

[castor212]

And tbh when you are so biased on an opinion, it really devalued that very opinion's worth for others.

But to each of his own, i suppose.

[Altaris]

Only free servant I use is Kintoki because he's broken as shit

[Trubo]

Here's my look of it. Both Saber Liz and Saber Lily are the worst event Servants we got, but Saber Lily is definitely a really bad choice to bring in a fight.

Nah. As much as I like Nobu, she and Iris are the two worst freebie Servants we've received.

Saber Lily's Mana Burst is wasted on regards to her low attack unfortunately, even if it can reach 50% Buster Up, and her NP is unfortunately bad, with a worthless heal effect and even at NP5 it just can't do enough damage. Instinct sucks, and her Blossoming of the Journey is so low in numbers that it barely makes any difference and not worth wasting materials when you could easily use Nobunaga or Ushi here. And there's really nothing more I can comment about her.

Saber Lily's NP5 is equivalent to NP5 + NP interlude for any other AoE Buster NP. That, combined with her class modifier, makes her outdamage Nobu's NP even without Mana Burst. Hell, she outdamages NP5 Sumani against anything but Dragons.

As for skills, the difference between 1.2 NP rate up and 1.3 NP rate up is pretty damn trivial. Tenka Fuubu is really hit or miss (can't recall an event where it's been useful for farming relatively hard content), so I'd say Instinct wins out here. Demon King is nice, but there are definitely better crit Archers now if that's what you need.

Her Mana Burst is not really good due to low numbers and a worthless defense buff. And her third skill is worthless and should never be used.

God forbid, only a +40% modifier instead of the usual +50% modifier. How will she ever kill things now?

So in conclusion, I believe Saber Liz offers much more than Saber Lily. But honestly, instead of wondering who's best from two bad things, you should replace Saber Liz with Caesar and put him in a crit team as star generator, and replace Saber Lily with something else. Fergus is not a good option unfortunately, I also think he's bad, not as bad as Saber Lily as he still has decent raw damage. In fact, another Class Servant would be better for AoE purposes, they will probably be more useful than Saber Lily. I just never found any use for her in any situation, and the majority of times it just made the fight longer because I wasted my Servant slot with something that just doesn't work well.

Lol.

Keep in mind that this consideration is without taking into account grailing. Honestly, I would never grail any of them, it would be a waste. If by default they're not good, grailing them will only improve their stats, but nothing else, and that's not enough at this point of the game. The same goes for NP5 arguments, I have better uses for an NP1 Rama than NP5 Saber Liz for example.

Liz (Brave) is generally better than Rama though, thanks to easy NP5 and Mana Burst.

[Qinglong]

Raikou was a node boss in Summer event and Prisma event IIRC, which was the last time I used Nobu

[Kareshy]

And tbh when you are so biased on an opinion, it really devalued that very opinion's worth for others.

But to each of his own, i suppose.

I'm not sure what you want out of me here. It is equally (If not moreso) devaluing for you to be expressing that my opinion is bad because of bias rather than substantively contributing to the conversation itself. This isn't a tangent that I really want to go any deeper down.

[Master of Chaos]

Thanks.

...and done. Now can only hope that they give me my account back.

Good news! DW came through and I'm back in game.

Now the bad news: seems like I lost a few members of my friend-list during my absence. Anyway, currently looking for people interested in filling those vacancies (have 4 seats available).

[Kareshy]

Good news! DW came through and I'm back in game.

Congrats! Just in time for Dango!

[castor212]

can't recall an event where it's been useful for farming relatively hard content

Tbf, there is this period where i used her for farming Raikou stage at Onigashima event. Berserker, has riding, has divinity. First time i used Nobu after a while, that.

And.... i think thats it.

[Trubo]

Raikou was a node boss in Summer event and Prisma event IIRC, which was the last time I used Nobu

Couldn't remember if she had Divinity or not. That said, Tenka Fuubu isn't that impressive against Raikou during Onigashima since you were already stacking so much Power Up.

The Riding though that castor reminded me of is good. Something to actually trigger he super effective modifier.

[castor212]

I'm not sure what you want out of me here. It is equally (If not moreso) devaluing for you to be expressing that my opinion is bad because of bias rather than substantively contributing to the conversation itself. This isn't a tangent that I really want to go any deeper down.

I dunno man, you tell me, i gave substantial points regarding the topic, but then you replied me with the focus on the Awful part, so i just follow along

[Rafflesiac]

Saber Lily: leveled to 60 for Saber Wars and never touched again
Liz Brave: never leveled
Nobunaga: maxed, used until I got Rama and NP2 Tesla
Kuro: maxed, use sometimes
Santa Jeanne: never leveled
Santa Alter: never leveled
Kintoki: never leveled
Caster Liz: maxed, max skilled, key staple or early game team
Irisviel, maxed, only used against Goetia
Shiki: maxed, maxed skilled, go-to Assassin until I bond-maxed Tamamo and Waver, key member of Arts team
Scathach: never leveled

I either used event Servants that filled holes in my roster (Shiki, CasEliza, Kuro) or I really liked them (Nobu).

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Good news! DW came through and I'm back in game.

Now the bad news: seems like I lost a few members of my friend-list during my absence. Anyway, currently looking for people interested in filling those vacancies (have 4 seats available).

I readded you.

[Aozaki-desu]

Liz (Brave) is generally better than Rama though, thanks to easy NP5 and Mana Burst.

I even made a video this is how hard i got triggered

[Kareshy]

I dunno man, you tell me, i gave substantive points regarding the topic, but then you replied with the focus on the Awful part, so i just follow along

I don't really see that as how this has gone down. Your post had one line of substance, an assertion of your perspective, paired with two that focused on my word use and then suggested bias. So, I again have to say that I don't really know what you want out of me from this conversation. To not be bias when stating my opinion? To not use the word awful, when awful is frankly such a benign and inoffensive term?

I certainly hope you don't intend to or believe you will convince me not to call Liz awful because you're going to waste a lot of time. My replacement terms, the terms in which I would express my ACTUAL, heavily biased feelings about Liz as a character, are much much worse.

[Raylen Cypher]

Now the bad news: seems like I lost a few members of my friend-list during my absence. Anyway, currently looking for people interested in filling those vacancies (have 4 seats available).

Sure.

[larethian]

Liz Brave has a bad 3rd skill that has zero strategic value.

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Which is still fine if not for the fact that it drains 1 NP bar. If it takes an NP bar, I need to be able to use it for some sort of set play.

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Rumi really has no qualms about acting like a gachi otaku lol.

[Gachaisdead]

@ master of chaos: me wanna sit please, Also that's great that you got it back!

So who's ready for demon bullying ?

[TheMew]

Do you mean werewolf bullying?

[Rockxas]

I even made a video this is how hard i got triggered

...Guess it might not be a bad idea to level up my Rama even though I already have Saber Lancelot.

[Kareshy]

Do you mean werewolf bullying?

If the werewolves are also werehearts then sure.