Which Clan reigns supreme?
Which Clan reigns supreme?
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Originally Posted by asterism42
Ravnos because I'm a dirty hindufag and that's the clan I'm currently playing.
Is this Vampire the masquerade?
Gangrel because Beckett was so boss.
yes
True Brujah are not a clan.
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Voting on Gangrel, Nosferatu and Ventrue because they were only worthy to port to NWoD.
They're definitely a splinter faction and attribute their bloodline to Brujah rather than Troile, and I don't remember them being particularly fond of typical Brujah. As well as being cold and detached in contrast to the passionate and rebellious Brujah.
Just grouping them together with normal Brujah didn't feel right.
Gehenna scenario confirmed them being delusional and in fact descending from Troile. Going by that logic, Assamite should be split into three bloodlines, Laibon Legacies featured, et cetera.
That's just in one of four of Gehenna's scenarios, and considering we're not sure which is canon it's not really a reliable source of information to use outside of storytelling and roleplaying. Unless of course you are using that specific scenario in your RP.
Not by that logic because the Assamites still derive their bloodlines by a single antediluvian Haqim, and the Shango faction is not specified to have a different progenitor.Going by that logic, Assamite should be split into three bloodlines, Laibon Legacies featured, et cetera.
Even assuming True Brujah derive from different Antedilluvian, they are not considered as a Clan in canon. The same way Cappadocians and Salubri are not considered Clans, only bloodlines because they got demoted through circumstances.
Interesingly, now Dark Ages 20 Laibon Legacies have their own origin stories and they are not tied specifically to any Antediluvian. They may not be Kindred.
"We bear a great atrocity. In addition to stealing the blood of our clan father, they have stolen his name. We are the True Brujah, and one night the streets will flow with the blood of Troile's bastards."
They definitely consider themselves their own clan. Different attitudes, a disciplines unique to them (temporis), and a hatred for normal Brujah. The only credence you got for them not being their own clan is the Fair is Foul scenario where Brujah/Ilyes managed to escape his canonical death at the hands of Troile.
The last I checked the Laibon Legacies included even the Followers of Set, and the Ishtarri who are descended from the Toreador. In fact, all the clans with the exception of the Followers of Set are descended from one of the other Clans.Interestingly, now Dark Ages 20 Laibon Legacies have their own origin stories and they are not tied specifically to any Antediluvian. They may not be Kindred.
And no one cares about their claims."We bear a great atrocity. In addition to stealing the blood of our clan father, they have stolen his name. We are the True Brujah, and one night the streets will flow with the blood of Troile's bastards."
Good luck on that, since Brujah are more numerous by far. And good luck taking on Camarilla or Sabbat where Brujah hold membership.
Beta of new edition of Dark Ages mentions Legacies and none are attributed Antidiluvian progenitor. It's call changing stuff, thanks God it was written by NWoD team. I love subtle references to Strix.The last I checked the Laibon Legacies included even the Followers of Set, and the Ishtarri who are descended from the Toreador. In fact, all the clans with the exception of the Followers of Set are descended from one of the other Clans.
If David Hill get green light, Kuei-Jin might be rewritten from scratch.
In theory X20 is 2nd ed with polished Revised mechanics, no metaplot and dumb stuff removed, but they started changing stuff a lot. Black Spiral Dancers are now portrayed in different way, there are new types of spirits in Werewolf, Mage will include new mechanics.
Last edited by Kat; November 8th, 2014 at 01:44 PM.
Why, of course that would be Gan*is dominated*VENTRUE ARE OUR NATURAL LORDS AND SUPERIORS.
don't quote me on this
It's funny because in the other WoD Gangrel and Ventrue are hinted to have related origins. My personal theory is that Ventrue are NWoD Gangrel bloodline that reached enough power to elevate themselves to Clan status as the only bloodline in the history. Animalism, Resilience, Protean -> Animalism, Resilience, Dominate.
Which is exactly why no one will expect it when they wage their temporal time-war against the Brujah. They have the advantage of surprise.
As well as the ability to simply do things over if they did things wrong the first time. It will be like Groundhog Day except with more violence and less Bill Murray. Hopefully, I'm wrong about the less Bill Murray part.
Well, there's your problem I am talking OWoD not NWoD.Beta of new edition of Dark Ages mentions Legacies and none are attributed Antidiluvian progenitor. It's call changing stuff, thanks God it was written by NWoD team. I love subtle references to Strix.
If David Hill get green light, Kuei-Jin might be rewritten from scratch.
In theory X20 is 2nd ed with polished Revised mechanics, no metaplot and dumb stuff removed, but they started changing stuff a lot. Black Spiral Dancers are now portrayed in different way, there are new types of spirits in Werewolf, Mage will include new mechanics.
Which is why I said VTM: Clans and not VTR: Clans. As far as I know in the OWoD the Laibon Legacies with the exception of the Followers of Set are descended from one of the typical clans. They have the same antediluvians, have similar attitudes/appearances, and a similar affliction.
Akunanse are descended from the Gangrel, Guruhi from the Nosferatu, Osebo from the Brujah, Shango from the Assamites, Xi Dundu from the Lasombra, Kinyonyi from the Ravnos, and the Ishtarri from the Toreador as I mentioned already.
They're all off-shoots, and the Followers of Set are the only ones that are not descended from one of the other clans among the Laibon Legacies.
If nobody does, there shouldn't be a discussion over this. And I don't even know what they're talking about.
No, your precious "Revised" edition is retconed now that there is a new edition of OWoD.Well, there's your problem I am talking OWoD not NWoD.
You mean by that kickstarter V20 Dark Ages and that it apparently retroactively alters canon despite that you only have a beta for it. That, and you haven't explained why it supersedes everything. Where exactly are you drawing this conclusion from within the beta or the manuscript for that matter.
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Point me towards it.
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