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    Is the manga being translated at all?
    Quote Originally Posted by canaki View Post
    Sir Kay isn't a servant, summoning servants (≒ souls of HS) being super hard was even one of the points of this incident.
    He just kept on throwing out random things like Merlin said this, Agravain used to be like this, I'm not like those other knights who could turn the tables just by themselves, that kind of thing. Please don't make me take apart the entire book looking for random quotes.

    Also too much lore terms for me to explain things properly and I don't want to be a source of misinformation.
    These I can say without fearing any misinterpretations:
    - This village was trying to revive Artoria by combining a replica of her body, mind, and soul (though the soul wasn't here obviously)
    - Zuepia was watching over the village to prevent accidents, but couldn't interfere directly because of the contract Atlus has with the village.
    - Sir Kay is really good at swimming.
    So was Grey an attempt at creating the replica?

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    She is a replica of Artoria's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yokushi View Post
    She is a replica of Artoria's body.
    So, she's like a proto-Mashu? Was she created to be Artoria 2.0, or was she supposed to serve as a vessel for her demi-servant style?
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    Gilgamesh fired weapons like rockets back in the day, Enkidu was a shapeshifting mud doll, Elizabeth Bathory had dragon blood, the origin of life is an insane giant, and vampires rule over humans in this odd way where they claim to be the apex of life and are perfect beings. Also every planet has super ultimate beings that are the apex of each planet and will one day come to Earth to rock our shit, and each of these ultimate beings are comparable to vampires.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Jeanne was speaking to the counter force and Karl was driven by aliens. And Jesus was probably Martha's imaginary friend, I'd imagine.

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    Actually if you think about it she's really absolutely nothing like Mash at all and that's a bad comparison.

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    Grey is more like Darius Ainsworth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Actually if you think about it she's really absolutely nothing like Mash at all and that's a bad comparison.
    So Mashu wasn't a designer baby that was born to be the vessel for a Heroic Spirit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Grey is more like Darius Ainsworth.
    Yeah, that's probably more accurate.
    Nasuverse in a Nutshell
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Gilgamesh fired weapons like rockets back in the day, Enkidu was a shapeshifting mud doll, Elizabeth Bathory had dragon blood, the origin of life is an insane giant, and vampires rule over humans in this odd way where they claim to be the apex of life and are perfect beings. Also every planet has super ultimate beings that are the apex of each planet and will one day come to Earth to rock our shit, and each of these ultimate beings are comparable to vampires.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Jeanne was speaking to the counter force and Karl was driven by aliens. And Jesus was probably Martha's imaginary friend, I'd imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthizar View Post
    So Mashu wasn't a designer baby that was born to be the vessel for a Heroic Spirit?
    Well, Grey certainly wasn't

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    This village was trying to revive Artoria by combining a replica of her body, mind, and soul (though the soul wasn't here obviously)
    I read this and jumped to the conclusion that Grey was specifically designed to be a HS vessel in a similar way that Mashu was. Is she a homunculus then, or something else entirely?
    Nasuverse in a Nutshell
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    Gilgamesh fired weapons like rockets back in the day, Enkidu was a shapeshifting mud doll, Elizabeth Bathory had dragon blood, the origin of life is an insane giant, and vampires rule over humans in this odd way where they claim to be the apex of life and are perfect beings. Also every planet has super ultimate beings that are the apex of each planet and will one day come to Earth to rock our shit, and each of these ultimate beings are comparable to vampires.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Jeanne was speaking to the counter force and Karl was driven by aliens. And Jesus was probably Martha's imaginary friend, I'd imagine.

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    Grey is not quite a vessel, she will eventually become Artoria Pendragon physically.

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    It sounds a lot like what the Einzbern did to recreate the Third Magician.

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    Why were they trying to replicate Artoria? I mean other than her being a cool king. Did they have a reason for it?

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    "The Once and Future King who will come again to save Britain from great peril."

    Probably something along those lines, to Britain King Arthur is essentially their Messiah
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Grey is not quite a vessel, she will eventually become Artoria Pendragon physically.
    So when Grey gets older she'll get stacked?
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    canon finish apo vol 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    So when Grey gets older she'll get stacked?
    it's not something that can be called growing, Grey is slowly transforming into Artoria.

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    Something I always wondered because of Svin's attraction to Gray's scent (if it's reminiscent to Saber):

    Could he have a relation to Cavall?

    But thinking about it...that's just more weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    it's not something that can be called growing, Grey is slowly transforming into Artoria.
    Oh.

    Poor girl.
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    canon finish apo vol 3

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    Grey is an allegory for Takeuchi's influence on the franchise

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    Also, what's Kay's deal in all this?
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
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    I think Alex IV can eat Goku.

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    Was the identity of the armored woman revealed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quoren View Post
    Was the identity of the armored woman revealed?
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    The avatar of Logos React
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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