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    My guess was that it just mean most immaterial things. Or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    So if we were to say Fate includes LE, would the fact that it comes only at the very end affect the theme in any significant way?
    Depends on what you think of the theme in the first place, though it almost certainly should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    something something death of the author

    also, just noticed that it can be abbreviated as "dota". huh
    when something has the acronym dota it must mean it's dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    Random bit (its just a thought I had when I seen the 2deep4me thing) but, I don't understand the concept of concepts in Nasuverse like at all.

    Its so abstract you see. I mean, literally just from looking at my latest posts, I can't even begin to explain the Unified Language without fucking babble. Then there's shit like Ries' scripture with its power of 'Ruin' and how it prevents her from being digested despite the shield obviously being unable to defend her entire body. Or yeah, that argument a few days ago where someone asked if Rider can just say 'I'm over here' to cause Perseus who was looking at a mirror to freeze (which doesn't work because mirror concepts).

    Then we got everything to do with the MEoDP and the 'lol cut concepts'. Like jesus fuck what does that even mean. Even the fuyuki dictionary article on concepts is babble.
    the one who mentioned the rider thing was me.

    and yeah i always had the same confusion. i figured it was basically a plato reference. some things have innate natures and purposes, so if you imposed that onto something else it would take on properties of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hong Kong Walmart View Post
    Pretty much. Order actually matters.
    So I guess we're locked in to irony overdrive over here, okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    My guess was that it just mean most immaterial things. Or something
    No concepts is what causes GB to teleport into your heart unless your 'ability to defy fate' concept is high enough.

    Concepts is what again allows people to be looking at that Noble Phantasm mirror to see Rider when her eye concept is that anyone who sees her, even imagines her, freezes.

    Its pure babble.
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    The way I perceive MEODP is that something exists as something that can be perceived as being something then it can be killed. With Ryougi's anyway.

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    I made an analysis about their characters when the designs for the SakPak first dropped back in the day, and they were pretty spot-on for the most part:

    Passionlips = Biggest tits, no top barring the leather straps. Legs and waist are well covered. Oversized, powerful looking mechanical arms. Red eyes, magenta ribbon. Red classically represents anger and life and vigor but is also used in warning signs, so at the same time it can also symbolize restraint. B imagery of BDSM a result of her bound chest. Blatant thematic emphasis on "breasts", the "upper body," and its pleasures. Possibly a representation of the Superego (because of being "bound" and having to act within the order of her group).

    BB = "Average" bodytype for a Sakura. Outfit is balanced, though the skirt is so short there's a sneak peek of her panties just below the hem, and her top may be opened enough enough to give a generous keyhole view of her cleavage. Purple eyes, red ribbon - iconic Sakura design. S and D imagery of BDSM present because of riding cropish device and aura of control. Thematic emphasis on "the core" and its pleasures. Most likely a representation of Ego, or at least physically. Possibly the Shadow to Nurse Sakura in Jungian terminology.

    Meltlillith = DFC. Seems shorter than the others, hard to tell. Top is covered well with a large overcoat while everything else at waist level and below is virtually exposed. Oversized, powerful looking mechanical leggings. Blue eyes and blue ribbon. Blue can symbolize calm and focus but its also a common color in Japanese streetlights for "Go", so it also likely represents affirmation. Noticeable thematic emphasis on the "vaginal exterior," the "lower body," and its pleasures. Possibly a representation of the Id (because of vaguely childlike appearance and hints of feisty smugness, implying a willingness to act on desire).
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    After I've re-watched knk and read the fifth one I could do a mini analysis on how souren araya's (couldn't even remember his name for a sec then) status as a villain if no one snatches it up before me.

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    It's not like posting your analysis makes it so that no one else can write a supporting claim or another analysis of their own. What do you mean by his status as a villain, anyway? Post that theory of yours, so we can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hong Kong Walmart View Post
    Pretty much. Order actually matters.
    And is there why a reason why you want to apply novel writing conventions to VNs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    the one who mentioned the rider thing was me.

    and yeah i always had the same confusion. i figured it was basically a plato reference. some things have innate natures and purposes, so if you imposed that onto something else it would take on properties of it
    It is, but that's what makes things confusing when you can think of blatant contradictions.

    Like 'How did Kiritsugu fit Avalon inside little boy Shirou's body? Can it dematerialize? What does melding it with his body even mean. How did he even get it in there? Did he j-j-jam it in?' 'why is it called the Unified Language when it uses standard Japanese? How come I can't use it when I know nihongo?' 'How come knowing the Divine Words does not mean you can actually use it?' 'why are Lancer's runes so speshul when they are well known runes everyone who studies Runes probably knows?' etc.
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    Curor, I mean the man likes DDD, he must have had a hard life, yet he's still trying so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    Random bit (its just a thought I had when I seen the 2deep4me thing) but, I don't understand the concept of concepts in Nasuverse like at all.

    Its so abstract you see. I mean, literally just from looking at my latest posts, I can't even begin to explain the Unified Language without fucking babble. Then there's shit like Ries' scripture with its power of 'Ruin' and how it prevents her from being digested despite the shield obviously being unable to defend her entire body. Or yeah, that argument a few days ago where someone asked if Rider can just say 'I'm over here' to cause Perseus who was looking at a mirror to freeze (which doesn't work because mirror concepts).

    Then we got everything to do with the MEoDP and the 'lol cut concepts'. Like jesus fuck what does that even mean. Even the fuyuki dictionary article on concepts is babble.
    I know right! I was just skimming through the Mcdoc the other day and I find so many things I can't explain by myself. I guess it's because we're just borrowing this guy's imaginary universe, so we'll never fully understand the concepts he tries to give us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaRandomUsername View Post
    I made an analysis about their characters when the designs for the SakPak first dropped back in the day, and they were pretty spot-on for the most part:
    Just one thing, because I haven't read enough of CCC yet, but Melti is tall as fuck.

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    Well, there's a fixed route order for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hong Kong Walmart View Post
    And everyone who reads the various routes of Fate/Stay as having some sort of equivalence and not being thematically linear leading to a conclusion in HF is totally wrong.
    I think you're totally wrong.


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    when I say hero I don't mean hero in the spirit sense. I mean a morally grounded, good natured person who doesn't slaughter innocent people. No such person exists in the Nasuverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgeburner90 View Post
    And is there why a reason why you want to apply novel writing conventions to VNs?
    Not as if the VN itself doesn't have you do them in a specific order. Moreover, calling that a novel writing convention misunderstands: it's not just novels and not just a convention. It simply matters in what order events occur.

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    Just in regards to weather he's thematic character or not. As in weather his motive's support/justify his actions. I may just speed read the book over the weekend because it's been quite a few months since I've seen it. Honestly it's just because I'm doing villains as part of an English essay (about Iago and stuff)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jormungandr View Post
    I think you're totally wrong.
    Fate is not a conclusion, that's kind of blatant even in the VN.
    The only point in discussion is whether UBW is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jormungandr View Post
    I think you're totally wrong.
    En garde.

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