All routes are equally cannon but HF still has the overall climax. I view it as one linear story in which all these alternate universes complement each other. One reason why removing Fate wasn't such a great move on ufotable's part in my opinion.
All routes are equally cannon but HF still has the overall climax. I view it as one linear story in which all these alternate universes complement each other. One reason why removing Fate wasn't such a great move on ufotable's part in my opinion.
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Should I have said they add about a meter?
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I thought UL is heard by people as the language of their birth, meaning Ryougi hears Japanese even though Satsuki is speaking in the Unified Language, because that's how it resonates with her.
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No, no, they add two feet. Because they're shoes.
Is it?
Yes.
The routes are pretty clearly intended to be read in a specific order and are better for doing so.
He was already relapsing the second he started pushing death of the author; it's a stance that's impossible to support unironically.
No, really. That's not obviously evident and needs argumentation.
Does it?
Even then, the order matters, it can't be an alter story to what you read up to that point if you read it first.
I don't think anyone is implying that HF is the canonical end, but it is designed to be read last.
The question/answer setup still works, though. Except in this case the question posed would be "What the fuck am I even reading and who are these people?", which is then answered in Fate and UBW.
Wow werid. I mean I struggled to get through fate because the beginning was so boring and I only got one new piece of new info per hour or something. Yes I was originally a zerotard but hey.
Well idk if I really should give an extended argument, given that you haven't really argumented why you think so, and instead just proceeded to flatly state so.
However, let's pretend for the sake of my sanity that this whole argument is unironic, and let's purely discuss things as they are presented. IE, for example the whole argument about which route is more mature would be useless here since that is not what we're looking at, and instead we're looking at both routes to see if they both present an answer.
Fate is without any sort of doubt a question route. The way it ends, somewhat inconclusively, leaving Shirou's future as open-ended as it gets, the way it mostly serves to present the characters as they are, and mostly serves to show us how Shirou's mind works and his viewpoints, the relationship with Saber is meant to highlight the ideal he pursues, etc. Until there, we are in agreement.
However, one look at UBW tells very clearly that it is intended to be an answer, and a straightforward one at that. It immediately builds up from Fate's themes, and then proceeds to answer the question of how to go about Shirou's ideal in its own way. It is thematically tight, and it is not open ended, as UBW True ends up on a very defined, if on broad strokes, future, and it ends with Archer's "Answer" scene, which is all about, of course, about him finally finding his answer.
Now let's look at HF. Thematically, it doesn't build from UBW, but rather starts building up again from Fate's themes, although it turns and twists them around, giving a circuitous answer in comparison to UBW's straightforward's one (whether one thinks that it was well done or not wouldn't have any bearing in the discussion. IMO it was badly done, the concept was alright, but the execution was terrible). Just like UBW, it is thematically tight (even if I think it did fuck its themes up) and basically just gives yet another legitimate answer. Note how HF True is also another ending with a defined future, again in broad strokes, exactly as defined as UBW True's was.
Yes, each route does build up from the previous one, in terms of story, and each answers different questions. HF answers what UBW doesn't, and UBW answers what HF doesn't. If we look at it as a story, then yes, it is linear, what with the infodumps building up from each route, but if you look at it thematically, I think it becomes very obvious that both UBW and HF build up from Fate, instead of HF building up from UBW.
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Still UBW is a good contrast to HF. HF does take for granted that you know archer is shirou though.
This is included in my argument.
Further I'd say that if you are trying to linearly think Fate ---> UBW ---> HF in terms of themes, then you'd run on UBW and HF basically contradicting each other.
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Yeah Your right but fate->UBW->HF is still the intended order. The climax isn't terribly climatic in UBW (apart from shirou) and also the last bad end in UBW does some nice linking/foreshadowing about the black sun/the holy grail for HF. I did feel somewhat disappointed with the HF climax I expected it to be twice as good as the climaxes that came before it but it was maybe 1.5 times as much. I just felt like there could've been a extra hour or two. I was expecting angra maiyu to do something and sakura's was saved a bit too easily.
But yeah fate splitting of into UBW and HF makes sense.
Yeah but one of the reason I went through all the slightly boring parts in HF (honestly didn't notice too many cooking scenes-don't really know what people are talking about in that regard) was to reach the epic climax I've been hearing about. Yes it was pretty good but (and I'm quite ashamed to say this) but I wanted moar action I guess. Maybe if more players where involved at that point it would be better but that would further diminish sakura's focus. Sakura vs rin was really epic though and their character arc was the best bit about HF.
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Wouldn't it be funny if you took climax in a sexual way....
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