What, ever heard of Manly Tears, the tripcoder on /v/ who trolled Minecraft threads and acts like an Internet Alpha Male? He started it.Originally Posted by Lycodrake
What, ever heard of Manly Tears, the tripcoder on /v/ who trolled Minecraft threads and acts like an Internet Alpha Male? He started it.
What, the discussion of the true meaning of chuuni?
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In theory yes, if you don't mean it in a derogatory way, the problem is that if your doing that, you are probably not doing it in a non-derogatory way. If you call something chuuni you aren't doing it to make fun of people with schizophrenia.
So yeah implicitly context matters, that includes the intent, ofc your example is very easy to misconstrue due to other connotations, so it wouldn't be a very smart thing to do if you aim not to offend.
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What discussion? It's just multiple people explaining to one person who thinks he knows what he doesn't.
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And a few making jokes around it.
You know mods if you wanted to get rid of 4chan posting I'd throw out being quite literal and disallowing posting about 4chan.
For the record, it's not "me not knowing it", it's you people justifying that it's okay to keep using words that have unfortunate implications, even when as a joke.
It's especially fine to use any words when as a joke.
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It's you making up unfortunate implications where no one else seems to think it exists.
Especially not in the contexts it's used in.
That's like saying we can't discuss news about the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, to curb support for the said group.
Also did you really watch like chu-2 and came to the conclusion that it was a story about making fun of people with scizophrenia?
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That's the point. Nobody sees it because nobody thinks that far and nobody cares. Well, I can call a defect in something as the archaic idiom "nigger in the woodpile" and not care about the racist connotations of it, then say that people are just making up unfortunate implications when they point out how racist that idiom is.
Well, guess why nobody uses that idiom anymore.
Bottom line on my end: I have reported posts where autism is used as an insult/joke.
Perhaps people don't know, but autism spectrum entails a certain level of socio-communicative inability. An inability that must be balanced with coping mechanisms - which are difficult to apply when having no facial cues or tone of voice to try and discern.
Jokes and insults, in text form, can appear to be one and the same.
Rather than responding caustically, like I could have done, I instead deferred to the judgments of the mod and admin team by reporting these cases to them.
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He isn't talking about Chuuni here. He's talking about autism.
Autism: 4chan slang
Retard: American (and Australian/Canadian/internet) slang
Chuuni: a term for a genre
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I never watched the show; I don't care for it; and I am operating independently from whatever theme that show presents as.
To simply put, I've read the definition, saw the use of it online, and thought how it actually sounds like. Chuunibyou's defintion sounded like a term for people who pretend something they are not, and it sunk on me how play-pretending self-deception and suffering from delusional disorder are almost indistinguishable from one another, without any context behind them.
Agreed, Autism is essentially the foil to psychopathy. An autistic doesn't recognize another person's feelings while a psychopath doesn't care. The end result is similar despite different causes. Sarcasm is also hard to recognize though many can understand the principle behind it they cannot see when it is being used. I don't want people banned, I just want it stopped and for the forum to stop implicitly condoning it. The mods have made progress on the second part.
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I'm a bit uncomfortable with this comparison.
I'm not sure psychopathy or foil are appropriate or accurate.
Rather than how Rai worded it, it's more that empathy is difficult for both people with autism spectrum and people with sociopathy.
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*Sigh* you silly people. Just don't be dicks and everything will be fine, if you're that afraid that a joke will get misconstrued as an insult then reported so you'll get banned then leave. No one is keeping you here and there's plenty of ways that are used to communicate with whatever friends you got on BL, from old-school IRC to videochatting on Skype.
And to you sanctimonius wussies that can't help but yell foul when "X word shouldn't be a joke" will you chill? the whole point of humor is to undermine seriousness, it is literally a social coping mechanism that we have come up with in order to deal with the dramas and pains of our lives, every single joke is offensive to someone out there, why in all the nine circles of hell does your "offended" get to be more special than someone elses that just shrugs and goes back to their lives?
And Ivan, let it go man, you will never win you are literally trying to fight the evolution of language here. For example the word gay in the 1950s was a synonym of happy, and you could switch back and forth. Now? it's used to denote a certain kind of man who finds other men sexually appealing as a mater of sexual preference, words change with time, both meaning and spelling (Otherwise we would still be spelling "Thine") sometimes it'll change in ways that are harmless, other times people will change some word to grave insult and others an insult will be reclaimed as a label of pride, get used to it.
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Yeah, I fucked up my meaning. What I meant was that if someone with Autism hurt someone else's feelings they likely wouldn't be able to recognize that they did but if it was explained to them they would feel contrite. Empathy is there but they have time hard reading body language and social cues. A sociopath wouldn't care if you told them or not. Lack of empathy. Period.
In essence, just like how I said one thing but meant another.
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People will make mistakes, its a fact of life. But if you don't try for fear of failing then you're making the biggest one of all.
So Live your life, you only get one.
I have no qualms about the evolution of language in general. The problem is when people reduce a word into a buzzword simply to use it as a term of derision, but still related to the old definition behind it. This is my axe to grind with the word "chuunibyou": People are using it on things they deem as "edgy", which became an insult itself already.
And the funny thing about this is that people who are quick to label things as "edgy" are usually just trying too hard themselves. Goth things? That's edgy. Hipsterism? Edgy. Opposing opinion or view? Edgy. Have an unusual quirk? That's fucking edgy.
And what's worse is that the definition of "edgy" is "something that challenges people's view in a way that discomforts them." Using the word "edgy" as an insult implies that challenging the status quo is somewhat a bad thing, that people shouldn't question established truths, that new things shouldn't happen because it makes people uncomfortable.
And conflating "edgy" with "chuunibyou" also brings up another nasty unforeseen implication: People who try to have different opinions or tastes (definition of "edgy") are simply deceiving themselves and/or playing pretend hard (definition of "chuunibyou").
And yet, you lecture me about the evolution of language, of how it is not a bad thing. It isn't. But we have turned "edgy", a word that means challenging established truths and norms, as an insult and made it synonymous to "chuunibyou", a word which practically means self-deception.
Which is why I don't trust people with how they'll use these words.
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