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    On reducing vitriol

    All right, so here's the announcement. This isn't so much an ironclad rule, as it is a public call for awareness. There have been concerns about the direction of the forum as of late, ie., shitposting, and an increase in vitriol. It can breed an environment that drives users away and encourages pandering to the lowest common denominator.

    This is where a general discouragement of words like "autism" and "faggot" insults, or "jewtube" and stuff like that comes into play. The important part is the context: insulting other users. So from now on, we'll slowly be nudging people away from that, especially if it gets to the point where it completely overruns the thread.

    This is not that different than just curbing shitposting, it's just another part of encouraging a productive environment. Mods already warned for saying things like this in the past. I remember one such incident with Buster myself a while back. It's just being put on display now.

    There is no list of words to reference. That is impossible to put together given the flexibility of language. Just use common sense, and you'll get feedback from mods about it if it ever comes up. It's not going to be like, "You used X word once and you automatically get hit by a warning" like there is a machine set up to activate the moment it happens without context.
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    I propose autobanning for memes.

    *In addition to word filters.

    **Also, instead of trusting people, add word filters.
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    As long as you inform before you actually escalate (yes also for people that already have warnings) I guess it's okay. I'm not too happy about this though regardless.

    This language predates any memeboys (look at MZeroX posts for what i mean) and is a smaller problem than shitposting in pretty much every regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    encouraging a productive environment
    BL doesn't produce anything other than a few RPs, some fanart, and fanfics, none of which benefit from your misguided measures. It's not meant to be a productive environment in the first place. If I wanna call one of my friends a raging faggot or tell frantic that typing out a 10,000 word backstory for his latest character is autistic as fuck, I should damn well be able to.

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    I suspect that mAc and Seika are doing the mod equivalent of shanking a guy in the yard on their first day in the joint to establish their street cred. That's why there's suddenly all this focus on being good to each other, and also my Tsukihime thread got closed. It's the only plausible explanation I can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    BL doesn't produce anything other than a few RPs, some fanart, and fanfics, none of which benefit from your misguided measures. It's not meant to be a productive environment in the first place. If I wanna call one of my friends a raging faggot or tell frantic that typing out a 10,000 word backstory for his latest character is autistic as fuck, I should damn well be able to.
    excuse me,Tyrfing Dragonfriend's backstory isn't 10,000 words. It's like 5,000.

    e: Bloble's correct though. BL isn't SB or SV. It's more like DLP, then anything - niche as fuck. We don't draw enough viewership to need rules about being nice to one another; nobody's gonna get attracted to this forum unless they're already used to High Octane Vitriol.
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    I know they wanted to crack down on "chan language" for a while now, I guess getting people in the team to get work done made it a reality.

    and now were here in 1984

    mike warned us
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    For a longass time BL mirrored /fate/ which just mirrored /a/, it isn't THE FOURCHAN CULTURE that must be curbed it's just being huge shitters that has to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantic Author View Post
    e: Bloble's correct though. BL isn't SB or SV. It's more like DLP, then anything - niche as fuck. We don't draw enough viewership to need rules about being nice to one another; nobody's gonna get attracted to this forum unless they're already used to High Octane Vitriol.
    I actually disagree, flaming just turns threads into burning trash heaps because people think they need to respond and rules against it should be enforced.

    Random words not leveled at you should not hurt you though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinach View Post
    For a longass time BL mirrored /fate/
    That seems implausible given that people post here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    I know they wanted to crack down on "chan language" for a while now, I guess getting people in the team to get work done made it a reality.

    and now were here in 1984

    mike warned us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    That seems implausible given that people post here.
    That's why I didn't say "BL just mirrors /fate/" because /fate/ is D E A D

    God Mcjon you're so autistic.

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    Rather, this is why I used past tense. Now the middleman is out and BL just mirrors
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    So does it mean that BL memes is a banned word now...?

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    No, the word meme should not be banned, but going into an on topic thread and locking onto a singular off topic post or just a generally dumb post and responding with MEMES should be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    BL doesn't produce anything other than a few RPs, some fanart, and fanfics, none of which benefit from your misguided measures. It's not meant to be a productive environment in the first place. If I wanna call one of my friends a raging faggot or tell frantic that typing out a 10,000 word backstory for his latest character is autistic as fuck, I should damn well be able to.
    My post was just a long way of saying "don't be a dick." In your context, the person probably did not actually mind. But a mod would take the totality of the statement into account, including the words, when evaluating it.

    It's like derails. There is no mathematical definition of when a derail happens but if a mod comes in and says "hey get back on topic" then that's legitimate. It's the same thing here. And you would get told ahead of time if something should be knocked off. In principle you are probably already okay with this; if there was somebody throwing around racial slurs left and right at everyone most people would be okay with a mod telling them to knock it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    I suspect that mAc and Seika are doing the mod equivalent of shanking a guy in the yard on their first day in the joint to establish their street cred. That's why there's suddenly all this focus on being good to each other, and also my Tsukihime thread got closed. It's the only plausible explanation I can think of.
    Well, I remember for one during the whole Leogate incident that a LOT of the posts were talking about how the site needs cleaning up and has been left to rot because of inactive moderation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    I actually disagree, flaming just turns threads into burning trash heaps because people think they need to respond and rules against it should be enforced.

    Random words not leveled at you should not hurt you though.
    This is more or less my opinion too.

    I'd also like to add that I don't think curbing the chanspeak is really gonna help that much with the attitude itself, which is sort of the main problem. I can't really say I'm against any rule added to fight shitposting and such, just that I find it hard to find a point for this. Seems like it'd make things worse, in a way.

    Furthermore, if you're going to implement this, being something very context and interpretation based, space for discussion should be allowed. IE, I don't think that the system of "you got warned and that's that" would work anymore, and room should be made for mods to fix things if they make a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Well, I remember for one during the whole Leogate incident that a LOT of the posts were talking about how the site needs cleaning up and has been left to rot because of inactive moderation.
    Well, the argument I've seen a lot regarding this is that people want more than anything else an active moderation in the threads themselves, actively re-railing them, stopping shitposting in its tracks, etc. A lot like what Leo used to do and I've seen you and Seika do in the bit of time you've been around, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    My post was just a long way of saying "don't be a dick." In your context, the person probably did not actually mind. But a mod would take the totality of the statement into account, including the words, when evaluating it.

    It's like derails. There is no mathematical definition of when a derail happens but if a mod comes in and says "hey get back on topic" then that's legitimate. It's the same thing here. And you would get told ahead of time if something should be knocked off. In principle you are probably already okay with this; if there was somebody throwing around racial slurs left and right at everyone most people would be okay with a mod telling them to knock it off.
    I can live with "don't be a dick". I can't live with the use of words and phrases being punished, no matter how obnoxious or politically incorrect they might be. Don't ban the words, ban the one using them to be a dick.

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