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    Nasuverse eschatology discussion [SPOILERS]

    There’s a pervasive background element which connects virtually all Nasuverse works, and that would be the idea that the end of the World, as we know it, is imminent.

    Each work ties into this in a different way, and many of the relevant tidbits are scattered around in throwaway lines, spin-offs, glossaries, side materials, etc. which makes it really difficult to ascertain the whole picture (but that’s part of the fun!)

    As an introduction of sorts, these are some of the main sources concerning the matter:

    Notes. (May 1999)
    A long time ahead in a planet close, close by...
    The Earth died long ago (humans killed it), and all ordinary life with it. That includes ordinary humans, of which only a handful live on by clinging on to technology (by the end of the story, only one is left, and he’s said to die shortly after).

    However, humanity lives on through the Liners (artificial post-humans) and the A-Rays (other, less humanlike artificial life forms). Also, a certain Six Sisters [No.1 savig system to earth]* (sic) lead the A-Rays.

    Although they used to be enemies, they have made common cause against the Aristoteles (the ultimate life forms of each other major planet in the Solar System; being 1999, this included Pluto) who came to Earth. As it turns out, they came to fulfill Earth’s dying wish of having all of her children die along with her. It is implied that post-Humanity doesn’t stand a chance, but we don’t get to see how it ends.

    The Ultimate One of the Moon, Type-Moon, is somewhere around too, although his relationship to the main plot is unclear.

    The apocalyptic event is placed around the year 2000. Hence the term “over count 1999” – mankind has been outliving its natural lifespan since then.
    Kagetsu Tohya (August 2001)
    Includes a short story, Crimson Moon, which explains stuff about Crimson Moon (Type-Moon) and how it was the first alien being contacted by the Earth to keep humans in check.

    …Also includes a surprising amount of lore in the random startup messages, of all places.
    Melty Blood (December 2002)
    Introduces Atlas alchemists (magi with super intellect who can predict the future). Turns out, all of them eventually predict an unavoidable end of the world. Some of them create super weapons (one of these weapons appears in Notes). Another of them, Zepia Eltnam Oberon, becomes a vampire in order to try and stop it. He’s the bad guy.

    (Also, all of the Melty Blood games have relevant info in places such as winning quotes, pre-fight speeches, etc. The various versions of Arcueid and Wallachia are the two main culprits.)
    Tsukihime Dokuhon Plus Period (October 2004)
    Includes a short story, tale (Shingetsutan Tsukihime Prologue), which elaborates on True Ancestors, Crimson Moon and the relationship of Earth and humans. It’s written in a more poetic, fairytale-like style.
    Character Material (August 2006)
    Elaborates on Notes and the inexistent Tsukihime 2 (The Dark Six). Which would seem to involve vampires trying to enact a ritual in Aylesbury with the potential to end the world. That is, if it existed.
    Melty Blood Actress Again (September 2008)
    Deals with Zepia’s successor, Dust of Osiris, who has more proactive plans regarding the whole “end of the world” thing. Also, doesn’t have an actual story mode. Introduces Archetype-Earth, an usually hidden facet of Arcueid, who cheerfully tries to start the apocalypse with her planetary avatar powers, before being stopped by Arc's usual self.
    Fate/Extra (July 2010)
    A near future (2030-ish) story. It seems like the ritual alluded to in Tsukihime 2 was completed ahead of time (1970-ish) and the Earth died, kind of? But so far, only the supernaturals seem to have noticed this fact? Also, stasis/stagnation/death vs. flux/strife/life. Also, aliens.
    Mahou Tsukai no Yoru (September 2010)
    Not fully translated but probably relevant. Aoko and the True Magicians may be deeply involved in the end of the World. Also modern vs old Humanity, consumerism.
    Tsuki no Sango (December 2010)
    An alternative universe post-apocalyptic far-future (year 3K) tale involving a technologically advanced but spiritually dying Humanity and an artificial Moon goddess.
    Fate/Extra CCC (March 2013)
    Lots of stuff about Humanity, the Ages of the World, Gods, aliens, etc. The Gilgamesh routes being the main source of stuff. Not fully translated.
    Garden of Avalon (March 2015)
    More stuff about the Age of Gods, the Age of Man and the Backside of the World. Also Camelot seems to be a model a silly place a nexus of the old world order. Not fully translated.
    Fate/Grand Order (Summer 2015-)
    ?????
    Fate/Extra Last Encore
    ?????
    Fate/Extella
    ?????

    We've been talking about all of this stuff time and time again since... the very beginning of BL, actually, but considering how more and more new stuff keeps tying into this, I think now's a good time to create this thread. Also there have been some good recent discussions about this in the Questions thread; gotta strike the iron when it's hot.

    tl;dr let's talk about the end of the world
    Last edited by aldeayeah; November 6th, 2018 at 05:55 AM.
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    i will set up camp in this thread

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    Interesting.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Atlas has seen the end. I wish this stuff would come together a bit more, but it never does.
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    that's horrific, I want it

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    That GO organization also uses Laplace's Demon.
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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    That GO organization also uses Laplace's Demon.
    Oh yeah. Hopefully GO is crazy enough that we see some cool stuff.
    ~Keo Today at 11:17 PM
    that's horrific, I want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife View Post
    Oh yeah. Hopefully GO is crazy enough that we see some cool stuff.
    It's going to be just another giant robot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadfish View Post
    It's going to be just another giant robot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadfish View Post
    It's going to be just another giant robot.
    Giant Robot Demon
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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    what is the sixth
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    The sixth what, is the question.

    The Sixth Law? The Sixth Magic? The Sixth Element?

    kudos to whoever puts together a "number 6 in the Nasuverse" post

    Also as You pointed out, it seems like Grand Order will tie in to this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aldeayeah View Post
    The sixth what, is the question.
    Is that the question, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Is that the question, though?
    its all connected

    the sixth whatever zepia was looking at is the revival of the dark six which are the six witches from notes having control over six true magics

    so one of them gets love and happiness for everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    its all connected

    the sixth whatever zepia was looking at is the revival of the dark six which are the six witches from notes having control over six true magics

    so one of them gets love and happiness for everyone
    It all goes back to the 666 beasts of nrvnqsr
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    Let's say, you don't have to be an alchemist to see them coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aldeayeah View Post
    The sixth what, is the question.

    The Sixth Law? The Sixth Magic? The Sixth Element?

    kudos to whoever puts together a "number 6 in the Nasuverse" post

    Also as You pointed out, it seems like Grand Order will tie in to this too.
    The youngest and only witch to be given a name or title in the Notes material we received was "Judgment."
    I propose the Sixth is just the Nasu-name for the Apocalypse.


    And maybe there's a different sort of connection with Magic.
    There's this throwaway line about the user of the First saying there would be 5 problems or tasks left to be fulfilled in the end which somehow connects to there being 5 wizards.
    And somehow the fact that the Fourth and the Fifth were discovered was actually a bad thing. Not for what the content of the Fifth was, but the fact that it was just filled.
    Maybe discovering the Fifth was like setting off a flag event for having to move directly to solving the problem of the Sixth.
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    Think GO will give anything definitive on this, or will we just get scraps of info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Think GO will give anything definitive on this, or will we just get scraps of info?
    Best case, we may get a complete view of one possible doomsday scenario, but no way we'll get the whole picture.
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    Alright, something I've always wondered.

    "---Yeah, there's no chance of winning. You got that right"

    Yes, the Angel nodded sadly.

    "On top of that, it's them who are right. ...geez. If the humans accepted the prophecy in the 2000th year, we would have gotten away by just being the victim."

    "No...! The ones who are wrong are the Aristoteles. They don't have any will. Isn't it a bad thing to erase lives without having a will?"
    What could the prophecy in the 2000th year be? The way I'm reading it, Godo thinks that if humanity had accepted its contents, humanity getting attacked by the Ultimate Ones would have been a situation where humans are simply the victims, possibly meaning that there wouldn't be a justification?

    Now prophecies obviously foretell future events. If humanity did not accept the prophecy, and the Aristoteles are 'right' in attacking them for that, then one easy conclusion is that the prophecy was somehow eschatological, or at least warned humanity of the world-ending consequences of something or other.

    So the questions are, what were the contents of the millennial prophecy, and is there a candidate in the Nasuverse to match it with?

    ah, also insert something something about the significance of the term [overcount 1999], something something aylesbury leading to notes so maybe the prophetess of the DAA was the author

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftovers View Post
    Alright, something I've always wondered.



    What could the prophecy in the 2000th year be? The way I'm reading it, Godo thinks that if humanity had accepted its contents, humanity getting attacked by the Ultimate Ones would have been a situation where humans are simply the victims, possibly meaning that there wouldn't be a justification?

    Now prophecies obviously foretell future events. If humanity did not accept the prophecy, and the Aristoteles are 'right' in attacking them for that, then one easy conclusion is that the prophecy was somehow eschatological, or at least warned humanity of the world-ending consequences of something or other.

    So the questions are, what were the contents of the millennial prophecy, and is there a candidate in the Nasuverse to match it with?

    ah, also insert something something about the significance of the term [overcount 1999], something something aylesbury leading to notes so maybe the prophetess of the DAA was the author
    I think what he's saying is just that if humans had stayed put and just died in 2000, things wouldn't have come to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aldeayeah View Post
    I think what he's saying is just that if humans had stayed put and just died in 2000, things wouldn't have come to this.
    Yeh, but it's the event and how it came about that's interesting.

    Ah, and it's also interesting that the original is 予言. Maybe it was Atlas after all.

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