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    Quote Originally Posted by 2018/6/6 : フッさんはさぁ……
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    ニコ生も終わり現実に戻るきのこ。

    いよいよ明日、『Fate/EXTELLA LINK』発売です。
    ずいぶん前に誌面のインタビューで語らせていただきましたが、今回は『EXTELLA』の続編ではなく、あ くまで番外編となります。
    今回の主役(メイン)はストーリーではなくシステム。
    シナリオも軽めの、東映まんが祭りぐらいの規模で作られています。
    『日々忙しくてムーンセルの平和とか人類史の守護とかそういう重い話はちょいノーサンキュー、今はただ気持 ちよくアクションがしたいンだっ!』
    『いいからドレイクを使わせてほしい。ロビンもな。ところでこのハートの王様みたいな新サーヴァントだれ? 』
    そんな趣旨で製作されたのが『Link』です。
    前作から様々な部分が改善され、生まれ変わったハイスピードサーヴァントアクションをお楽しみ ください。

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    ところで、皆さん今年のGWは何をしていましたか?
    近場の山にいってゆるっと岩塩プレートで肉とか焼いてた。分かる分かる。
    徳島で美味しいソフトクリーム食べてた? 分かる分かる。
    人類悪になってQP稼いでいた? 分かる分かる。

    私はちょっとバイクに乗って一人旅をしてきました。
    藤吉村とかいうマイナーな村なんですけどね。
    軽い気持ちで足を踏み入れたら、そこはもう戻る事のできない魔の狩り場だった。

     ◇

    民間伝承に支配される山村。
    共通認識による封鎖空間と異常常識。
    クソッタレ主人公。
    訪れる禁忌の夜と、それを上回る戦慄の昼。
    複雑に、しかし明確に語られる推理と理論。
    ひとりまたひとりと『絶対に』減らされていく隣人たち。
    超クソッタレ主人公。
    死を乗り越え、畏れを理解し、世界を把握したあげく訪れる、
    前回の最悪を押し潰す最悪の結末。
    小さな世界は終わり、大きな世界も終わり、呪いは現実に侵食する。
    もはや人智ではあらがいようがない怪異と悲劇がおまえを襲うだろう。

    だが見るがいい。
    人の知恵、解析の欲求は大いなる闇すら照らし上げた。
    人智及ばぬ? バカを言え。
    この宇宙に人間では及ばぬ存在はあれど、人智で倒せぬモノはなく。
    ふわっとこの悪夢に巻き込まれた主人公は、
    これ以上はない『人の知恵』で怪異も悲劇もけっ飛ばした。
    ホントどうなってんだよこのクソッタレ主人公!(超大好き!)

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    そう。なんの話かというと、
    痛快恐怖推理ADVの傑作『レイジングループ』の話でしたーーー!
    以前からテーブルゲーム『人狼』をテーマにしたADVだと聞いていたのですが、なかなか機会が掴めず様子見 をしていたところ、Nintendo Switchで決定版が出たというので購入し、プレイしたのです。
    『レイジングループ』については具体的な説明はすべてネタバレ……というか、プレイ時の面白さを削いでしま うので何も言えません。ただ、
    『弟切草』『まかいたちの夜』『CROSS†CHANNEL』『ひぐらしの鳴く夜に』『京極夏彦・妖怪シリ ーズ』
    これらの作品が好きな方は躊躇わずにプレイしてほしい。
    『ひぐらしの鳴く頃に』の出題編の雰囲気が好きな人には更に特攻。


    過去多くの才能あるクリエイターがこの『デスループ』というジャンルに挑んできました。
    ADVゲームほど『死を繰り返す』物語に適したジャンルはないからです。
    小説や映画、漫画ではどうしても段取りになってしまうトライ&エラーをプレイヤーの手で能動的 に行える。
    ゲームシステムそのものを『物語を語る』というギミックに使える。
    『繰り返す』という行為が持つ面白さと恐ろしさを、自分自身の手で味わえる。
    まさにゲームのためにあるジャンル、といっても過言ではないでしょう。


    目を覆うほどの悲劇を見た。
    アナタにはこれを変える力と知識が与えられた。
    なら戸惑う事はない。
    もう一度、もう一度この“悪人はない、しかし悪意によって狂いきった物語”を乗り越えてやる。
    『レイジングループ』をプレイして五時間めあたりのプレイヤーは誰もがそう奮起する。
    しかし世界はそんな単純ではなく、一つの問題をめくった後、よりおぞましい問題が現れるのです 。

    「なあ、そうだろう?
     今度こそうまくいくと思っただろう?
     今度こそマシな結末をたぐりよせると思っただろう?
     でも残念だったな。
     おまえが知恵を回した事で、もっと最悪なものを呼び寄せるのさ―――!」

    正体なき哄笑が聞こえる。
    状況が変われば自分の属性も変わる。
    立ちふさがる敵も変わる。
    なにより、不明であった闇(オカルト)を知れば知るほど、
    世界の価値観そのものが変動する。

    ああ―――世界が 回転 する。

    ループとは『物語を繰り返す』という意味だけでなく、
    世界を回す、という意味もあるのだと、本作をプレイして痛感しました。


    ループには理由があるべきであり、
    オカルトには理屈があるべきであり、
    完璧な科学的解析にはしかし、どうしてもぬぐえぬ闇があるべぎである。
    相反する要素を組み込みながらも互いを否定しないシナリオ展開にはもう拍手する他ありませんで した。
    閉鎖空間における人間関係。サイコヒロインさんこんにちは。民間伝承の強さと危うさ。ドジっこ巫女の魅力に おちなかれ。宗教の根底にあるもの。かみさま可愛いよかみさま。それにしてもEXTRAシナリオの素材のな さはどうだ!
    『レイジングループ』は確かなテキスト力ですらすらと物語に没頭させながら、ゲームそのものが持つ遊び心が 詰まった傑作でした。
    綺羅星の如く存在する『ループ物ADV』の中で、『レイジングループ』は新しい伝説を作ったの と思います。


    そんな訳で、興味を惹かれた方はぜひプレイしてほしい。
    老婆心ながら忠告すると金曜日の夜から始めるんだぞ。
    すぐに「マジかよ、土日まるまる藤吉村にいられるなんて最高かよ」と噛みしめる事になりますよ 。


    それでは、長くなってしまいましたが今回はこのあたりで。
    最後に、『レイジングループ』のEXTRAシナリオもクリアしている方にのみ通じるネタバレというか、心底 「すげえ……」と思った事を語りたい。
    (まだEXTRAクリアしてないならここからは読まないでね)

    Spoiler:
    タイトル画面のメインビジュアルあるじゃん。
    あれで六車家のお守りがドーン!とあるけどさ。

    逆さにして見ると堂々とアレの三眼そのもので、ものごっつい度胸と自信と遊び心に溢れたメインビジュアルだ なって……ワシは心底痺れたよ。
    gimme a bit to TL
    TL done.
    Again, sorry if I got things wrong, I haven't played this game Nasu is gushing about.

    Fussan is so...

    With the livestream over, Kinoko returns to reality.

    Finally tomorrow, "Fate/EXTELLA LINK" is to be released.
    I've talked about this in an interview quite a while ago, but this one isn't a sequel to "EXTELLA", but a spin-off.
    The main dish this time isn't the story, but the system.
    The scenario is light, with about the scale of Toei manga matsuri.
    "I'm busy everyday, stuff like the peace of Mooncell and protecting human history is a bit to heavy, I just want to have fun with action!"
    "Just let me use Drake. And Robin. And who's this new servant that looks like the King of Hearts?"
    This is the gist of making "Link".
    With the many improvements from the previous work, please enjoy the reborn High-speed Servant Action.

     ◇◇◇

    By the way, what were you all doing this GW?
    Go to a nearby mountain and bbq on a salt block. I get it.
    Ate some good icecream in Tokushima? I get it.
    Became jinruiaku and farmed QP? I get it.

    I was travelling alone on my motorcycle.
    It was a obscure village called Fujiyoshi-mura.
    I casually went there, but it was a inescapable hunting zone of monsters.

     ◇

    Mountain village ruled by folklore.
    Closed environment and abnormal common sense due to shared understanding.
    Shitty MC.
    The fall of a forbidden night, and a even more horrifying daytime.
    The complicated, yet clear recital of reasoning and logic.
    One by one, the "absolutely" diminished neighbors.
    Absolutely shitty MC.
    After overcoming death, understanding fear, comprehending the world,
    the absolute worst conclusion to crush the past worst happens.
    The small world ends, the large world ends, and the curse invades reality.
    Unearthliness and tragedy, unstoppable by human wisdom anymore will attack you.

    But see.
    The knowledge and desire to analyze humans have has thrown light even upon the great darkness.
    Unreachable by human wisdom? Don't be stupid.
    In this universe, there are beings humans can not reach, but there is nothing human wisdom can not defeat.
    This MC that floated right into this nightmare,
    he just kicked away this supreme unearthliness and tragedy with "the wisdom of humans".
    Really what's going on with this shit MC! (I love you!)

     ◇

    Well. To explain what this was about,
    it was on the masterpiece Intense Horror Mystery ADV "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P"!
    I'd heard how it was an ADV themed on "Werewolf", but I couldn't find a good time to play it for a while, then I heard they released the Switch version, and bought it finally.
    Any detailed description on "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" would be a spoiler... or more like it will take away your enjoyment when you play it, so I can't say anything.
    But, if you like "Otogirisō", "Banshee's Last Cry", "CROSS†CHANNEL", "Higurashi: When They Cry", "Kyogoku Natsuhiko Youkai series", I will recommend you to play without any hesitation.
    Especially effective on people who liked the atmosphere of question arcs in "Higurashi".

    In the past, many talented creators have made an attempt of the "death loop" trope.
    This is because ADV games are the best medium for stories of "repeating death".
    In novels, movies, and manga, trial & error becomes a planned sequence, but here, the player can actively try it by themselves.
    The game system itself is a gimmick used as a part of "telling the story".
    You get a taste of how "repetition" is a interesting and horrifying act with your own hands.
    I could even say it's the perfect trope for games.

    You witnessed a tragedy too terrible to look at.
    You were given the power and knowledge to change this.
    Then there is nothing to be lost about.
    One more time, once again, you will overcome this "story with no villain, but insanely riddled with malice".
    All players about 5 hours or so into playing "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" will be determined so.
    But the world is not that simple, and when you turn the page of one problem, another even worse problem appears.

    "Isnt't that so?
    You thought it will be okay this time, didn't you?
    You thought you'll manage to pull in a better end, right?
    Too bad.
    Because you thought so much, you'll call in an even worse something---!"

    You hear a derisive laughter from someone unknown.
    When the situation changes, your attributes change too.
    The enemies blocking you change.
    Most of all, the more you know the previously unknown
    occult
    darkness
    ,
    the values of the world changes.

    Ah --- the world rotates.

    Loops are not just about "repeating a story",
    but they also mean rotating the world, as I felt deeply while playing this game.

    There should be a reason for loops,
    there should be reasoning for occult,
    and perfect scientific analysis should, even then, have a remaining unclear darkness.
    I could only applaud the scenario development, with how it has conflicting elements built in, while not denying each other.
    Human relationships in a closed environment. Hello miss psycho heroine. The strength and danger of folklore. Don't fall to the attractiveness of the clumsy miko. The roots of religion. Kamisama so cute. Even so what's going on with the lack of EXTRA scenario material!
    "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" was a masterpiece, making us immerse deeply into the story with solid writing, while also having a lot of fun game spirit packed in as well.
    In the countless "Looping ADV" genre, "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" surely made a new legend.

    So, if anyone found themselves interested, please play it.
    I'd like to advise you to start playing on a Friday night.
    You'll immediately be glad, thinking "wow, I can spend the entire weekend in Fujiyoshi-mura, this is the best".

    This got quite long, I should stop around here.
    I'll finish this off with a spoiler that only makes sense to people who cleared the EXTRA scenario of "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P", something that made me go "wow......".
    (If you haven't finished, please don't read this.)

    Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P EXTRA scenario Spoilers

    You know that main visual on the title screen.
    They have that Muguruma family talisman.

    But if you look at it upsides down, it's the three eys of you-know-what, and I was so impressed by their nerve, confidence, and playfulness.

    Last edited by canaki; June 6th, 2018 at 11:06 AM. Reason: TL added
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    I stick to my opinion of Shinjuku = Higashide, Agartha = Minase, Shimousa = Sakurai, Salem = Meteo

    (Since I'm repeating this a lot)

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    So Nasu confirms again that Link is an additional chapter to Extella, not Extella 2.

    And that bit with the humanity power wank and that bit about curses. Are you hinting at something while describing your golden week experience???

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    TL done. That was long, and sorry if 六車 isn't Muguruma. Name readings are the worst, as any JP learner (and we locals) can probably tell you.
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    I stick to my opinion of Shinjuku = Higashide, Agartha = Minase, Shimousa = Sakurai, Salem = Meteo

    (Since I'm repeating this a lot)

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    Thanks Canaki
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Quote Originally Posted by canaki View Post
    gimme a bit to TL
    TL done.
    Again, sorry if I got things wrong, I haven't played this game Nasu is gushing about.

    Fussan is so...

    With the livestream over, Kinoko returns to reality.

    Finally tomorrow, "Fate/EXTELLA LINK" is to be released.
    I've talked about this in an interview quite a while ago, but this one isn't a sequel to "EXTELLA", but a spin-off.
    The main dish this time isn't the story, but the system.
    The scenario is light, with about the scale of Toei manga matsuri.
    "I'm busy everyday, stuff like the peace of Mooncell and protecting human history is a bit to heavy, I just want to have fun with action!"
    "Just let me use Drake. And Robin. And who's this new servant that looks like the King of Hearts?"
    This is the gist of making "Link".
    With the many improvements from the previous work, please enjoy the reborn High-speed Servant Action.

     ◇◇◇

    By the way, what were you all doing this GW?
    Go to a nearby mountain and bbq on a salt block. I get it.
    Ate some good icecream in Tokushima? I get it.
    Became jinruiaku and farmed QP? I get it.

    I was travelling alone on my motorcycle.
    It was a obscure village called Fujiyoshi-mura.
    I casually went there, but it was a inescapable hunting zone of monsters.

     ◇

    Mountain village ruled by folklore.
    Closed environment and abnormal common sense due to shared understanding.
    Shitty MC.
    The fall of a forbidden night, and a even more horrifying daytime.
    The complicated, yet clear recital of reasoning and logic.
    One by one, the "absolutely" diminished neighbors.
    Absolutely shitty MC.
    After overcoming death, understanding fear, comprehending the world,
    the absolute worst conclusion to crush the past worst happens.
    The small world ends, the large world ends, and the curse invades reality.
    Unearthliness and tragedy, unstoppable by human wisdom anymore will attack you.

    But see.
    The knowledge and desire to analyze humans have has thrown light even upon the great darkness.
    Unreachable by human wisdom? Don't be stupid.
    In this universe, there are beings humans can not reach, but there is nothing human wisdom can not defeat.
    This MC that floated right into this nightmare,
    he just kicked away this supreme unearthliness and tragedy with "the wisdom of humans".
    Really what's going on with this shit MC! (I love you!)

     ◇

    Well. To explain what this was about,
    it was on the masterpiece Intense Horror Mystery ADV "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P"!
    I'd heard how it was an ADV themed on "Werewolf", but I couldn't find a good time to play it for a while, then I heard they released the Switch version, and bought it finally.
    Any detailed description on "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" would be a spoiler... or more like it will take away your enjoyment when you play it, so I can't say anything.
    But, if you like "Otogirisō", "Banshee's Last Cry", "CROSS†CHANNEL", "Higurashi: When They Cry", "Kyogoku Natsuhiko Youkai series", I will recommend you to play without any hesitation.
    Especially effective on people who liked the atmosphere of question arcs in "Higurashi".

    In the past, many talented creators have made an attempt of the "death loop" trope.
    This is because ADV games are the best medium for stories of "repeating death".
    In novels, movies, and manga, trial & error becomes a planned sequence, but here, the player can actively try it by themselves.
    The game system itself is a gimmick used as a part of "telling the story".
    You get a taste of how "repetition" is a interesting and horrifying act with your own hands.
    I could even say it's the perfect trope for games.

    You witnessed a tragedy too terrible to look at.
    You were given the power and knowledge to change this.
    Then there is nothing to be lost about.
    One more time, once again, you will overcome this "story with no villain, but insanely riddled with malice".
    All players about 5 hours or so into playing "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" will be determined so.
    But the world is not that simple, and when you turn the page of one problem, another even worse problem appears.

    "Isnt't that so?
    You thought it will be okay this time, didn't you?
    You thought you'll manage to pull in a better end, right?
    Too bad.
    Because you thought so much, you'll call in an even worse something---!"

    You hear a derisive laughter from someone unknown.
    When the situation changes, your attributes change too.
    The enemies blocking you change.
    Most of all, the more you know the previously unknown
    occult
    darkness
    ,
    the values of the world changes.

    Ah --- the world rotates.

    Loops are not just about "repeating a story",
    but they also mean rotating the world, as I felt deeply while playing this game.

    There should be a reason for loops,
    there should be reasoning for occult,
    and perfect scientific analysis should, even then, have a remaining unclear darkness.
    I could only applaud the scenario development, with how it has conflicting elements built in, while not denying each other.
    Human relationships in a closed environment. Hello miss psycho heroine. The strength and danger of folklore. Don't fall to the attractiveness of the clumsy miko. The roots of religion. Kamisama so cute. Even so what's going on with the lack of EXTRA scenario material!
    "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" was a masterpiece, making us immerse deeply into the story with solid writing, while also having a lot of fun game spirit packed in as well.
    In the countless "Looping ADV" genre, "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P" surely made a new legend.

    So, if anyone found themselves interested, please play it.
    I'd like to advise you to start playing on a Friday night.
    You'll immediately be glad, thinking "wow, I can spend the entire weekend in Fujiyoshi-mura, this is the best".

    This got quite long, I should stop around here.
    I'll finish this off with a spoiler that only makes sense to people who cleared the EXTRA scenario of "Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P", something that made me go "wow......".
    (If you haven't finished, please don't read this.)

    Rei-Jin-G-Lu-P EXTRA scenario Spoilers

    You know that main visual on the title screen.
    They have that Muguruma family talisman.

    But if you look at it upsides down, it's the three eys of you-know-what, and I was so impressed by their nerve, confidence, and playfulness.

    'Jinruiaku'...That literally translates to "humanity's evil", but is that just a phrase like "failure of a human" or something more serious like "All the World's Evil"?

    Also, do it Nasu. Fall for the clumsy miko! You only live once! I used that phrase before it was cool, dammit.

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    It's that thing that the Beasts are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    'Jinruiaku'...That literally translates to "humanity's evil", but is that just a phrase like "failure of a human" or something more serious like "All the World's Evil"?
    http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Beast

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    I left jinruiaku as jinruiaku because I'm tired of the "what's the proper term for this" back and forth that happens, and I think people around here know it by already, like how I just leave maryoku unless I'm forced to say prana.
    (The jinruiaku bit is just a joke about people farming Apo for QP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by canaki View Post
    I stick to my opinion of Shinjuku = Higashide, Agartha = Minase, Shimousa = Sakurai, Salem = Meteo

    (Since I'm repeating this a lot)

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