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    5e rules are not written like a legal document. It's meant to just be everyday language and common sense. Some parts are even left undefined on purpose for the GM to decide it, in which case there is no RAW answer aside from the RAW answer being "ask your GM."

    You get a spellbook at level 1 because it's part of your equipment. You can choose not to take that equipment; in that case, you don't have the spellbook. Since it's from your given class equipment, that means you don't get it when you multiclass, just like when you multiclass into other classes and don't get that related equipment.

    https://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/01/20...book-for-free/

    That's my take on it anyway.

    Are you thinking of multiclassing with a wizard in AL? How does that stuff work anyway in Adventure League normally? If there's a vague area, does the GM still get to decide?
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    The spellbook is clear, the time and gold spent on the starting spells is less so for what Trubo mentioned. It makes sense that the player should spend the time and gold to scribe those spells before getting access to those features, but that should also mean this happens every time the Wizard levels up and gets two new spells, which I don't think is the way most tables run it. It certainly isn't mentioned in the part of the class description that gives you two Wizard spells each level.

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    By that argument, a character starting at Wizard 1 that rolls for gold should be ineligible for the first six level spells since it's not a spellbook they start with.

    The only reason I'm being this particular about it is because, as far as AL is concerned, RAW is the basis for anything. What one DM considers to be fine, another doesn't. Heck, even the Sage Advice column states that AL DMs can ignore things they don't like from the Sage Advice ruling if RAW says something else.

    So when there are things that are RAW and come off as iffy, that's a big issue. I know that there's already been one PHB Errata, but I think it's high time for another to cover things that should have been addressed in the first place (i.e. if the intent is the multiclass Wizard does gets neither the spellbook nor six first level spells for free, make this obvious by putting the spellbook with six first level spells as equipment and not a feature, or elaborate in the multiclass section about this particular problem), or for things that cause problems when using information published after the PHB to justify something that might not have been intended (e.g. War Caster potentially letting spellcasters bypass reach weapon restrictions when triggering an OA because of the whole spell cast + Booming Blade).

    Are these things super major problems? Nah, not really. In homebrew games, if something's fishy, you consult the DM and see what you do from there. In AL though, as I mentioned before, this isn't so clear cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Are you thinking of multiclassing with a wizard in AL? How does that stuff work anyway in Adventure League normally? If there's a vague area, does the GM still get to decide?
    AL allows for multiclassing. In general, you follow the rules outlined in the Multiclassing section in the PHB.

    The problem for multiclassing to Wizard though is that one line I've previously posted that states that you get any features from your new class that are specified to be obtained by level. For the Wizard, this is an issue because the six first level spells are something that you get as a feature from Wizard level one, not from your equipment.

    The main issue here is that while most DMs would probably rule as you do, someone that has a DM that's not too familiar with the game would just read the PHB and say that the player gets the six first level spells as described in the class without any hassle. At that point, which is AL legal: the reasonable RAI restriction of the former or the RAW of the latter?

    This is especially a hassle if a person goes to a convention or plays online, possibly having tens of different DMs throughout their character's playtime.

    One final edit: If the solution is that a person needs to start Wizard to not have to worry about multiclassing problems, then that's a pretty big problem when no other class has this concern when dealing with multiclass rules.
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    I've almost finished implementing this macro for using Speed Factor in roll20...
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    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    Hey Trubo. You were right!



    It just pops into existence. Or more accurately, your DM figures a way out to get it to you by the threads of fate. I will of course completely ignore it for home games still, but you have an answer.
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    Even being right, it still sounds dumb. Oh well.
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Dumb, yet fair

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    Some old guy/lady walks up to you, gives you a book, says "I'm too old for this shit" and puffs out in a cloud of mist.
    As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.

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    You acquire a wizard's spellbook, containing six first level spells. You learn your magic from this book, and it shapes your own shorthand and notations - as such, you don't need to copy these spells down into a different style.

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    This conversation has inspired my next high-level D&D character.

    Krond, the Wise: A high-level barbarian with a single level of wizard, who goes around in full magus garb, insists in solving everything with magic, and ends up beating the hell out of people with his quarterstaff in a predictable, yet comical way.
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    As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.

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    You go carousing one night and wake up the next morning with a headache and a spellbook you don't remember writing.
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    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    A black book drops from the sky outside the window of your classroom.


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    The one of the giant rats you cleared out of the sewers last quest had one tied to it's back. All to go along with it's nice little hat, glasses and fake beard.
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    Spellbooks fall, everyone gets one level of wizard.
    As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.

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    Ended up doing my first session of LMoP last night, with a group consisting of one of my friends and a bunch of randoms we met on Roll20. It was rough as all of us were mostly new but it enjoyable. Overall I kind of think I didn't do the best job as DM, but everyone said they had fun which is good.

    Wasn't sure if you were looking for a group still Trubo, but sorry I didn't let you know. Since I had to resort to having mostly randoms, I tried to grab newcomers specifically so my inexperienced DM skills wouldn't be too annoying.


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    Awesome. I love how many people are doing LMOP. It gives everyone a common experience.

    As long as your players had fun then you did good. You'll improve with each game. Just reflect on what you did.
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    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesto View Post
    Ended up doing my first session of LMoP last night, with a group consisting of one of my friends and a bunch of randoms we met on Roll20. It was rough as all of us were mostly new but it enjoyable. Overall I kind of think I didn't do the best job as DM, but everyone said they had fun which is good.

    Wasn't sure if you were looking for a group still Trubo, but sorry I didn't let you know. Since I had to resort to having mostly randoms, I tried to grab newcomers specifically so my inexperienced DM skills wouldn't be too annoying.
    No problem. Don't have anything permanent on Sundays, but AL games aren't too terribly difficult to find.

    Speaking of which, was in DDAL07-14 The Fathomless Pits of Ill Intent last night. Felt like a DDAL05-07 Chelimber's Descent done right in that all the traps were set up in ways that you wouldn't be able to figure out they were traps without some sort of really clever thinking. One example involved what looked to be a pool of water.
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    The pool was about 20' beneath us, and none of us had familiars to investigate it. One person quaffed a Water Breathing potion that they had, jumped in, and proceeded to fall over 100' because it was just an illusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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