Fate/Grand Order Gameplay Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[manafusion]

Scathach with her own Quick Up only. That's 58k damage against neutral targets on rough calculations.

Skill, CE, Fou Info

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Gil does 520% Buster as opposed to normal Buster NP single target 600%.

That's not the actual value versus Servants, right? Versus Servants, it's 780%.

Also, while they do gain massive damage, I'd rather not see proof images that feature more than 1 extra 5☆ solely because it becomes the 1% number game at that point.

(P.S.: I have neither Tamamo nor Waver by the way.)

EDIT: I let the extra 5☆ in because it's necessary to consider friend support as the additional buffer aid.

[Aozaki-desu]

That's 58k damage against neutral targets on rough calculations.

45k with lvl10 PR and +990 and kaleido lvl20

[Skittles]

Was bored, tried soloing robespierre with tamamo
Stuns are annoying, and that sure wasn't a waste of 20 minutes
Tamamo's pretty great though
What does more damage, her arts brave chain or BAA chain (with fox's wedding and whatever her item creation is)

[Aozaki-desu]

What does more damage, her arts brave chain or BAA chain (with fox's wedding and whatever her item creation is)

with Fox Wedding lvl6 and +990 from fous and no CE
BAA ~24.1k
AAA ~21.7k

[manafusion]

45k with lvl10 PR and +990 and kaleido lvl20

Eh? Even on 110% variance, that's too low. The way I calculate is to divide it by half.

Oh, I think I know why. I didn't mention that it's upgraded because I thought it's dumb to mention it for an already maxed level, max bond Servant. Hurr durr.

[castor212]

That's not the actual value versus Servants, right? Versus Servants, it's 780%.

Even better.

Also, pretty sure that's the number for NP upgraded Sca. It;s 1600 percent Q multiplier for her after upgrade, after all.

[manafusion]

Even better.

Also, pretty sure that's the number for NP upgraded Sca. It;s 1600 percent Q multiplier for her after upgrade, after all.

Like I said, it's impossible then. Class advantage is just 2x damage so dividing the final value by half generates more than 20% increase in damage without anti-Divinity.

[castor212]

Like I said, it's impossible then. Class advantage is just 2x damage so dividing the final value by half generates more than 20% increase in damage without anti-Divinity.

Impossible for what? Of course its possible. I said "like" a single target Servant, not "better than" single target Servant.

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Also, while they do gain massive damage, I'd rather not see proof images that feature more than 1 extra 5☆

But.... your own photo features three 5 ☆.... and you dont want to see others posting proof images with more than 5 star...?

[Aozaki-desu]

Eh? Even on 110% variance, that's too low. The way I calculate is to divide it by half.
Oh, I think I know why. I didn't mention that it's upgraded because I thought it's dumb to mention it for an already maxed level, max bond Servant. Hurr durr.

i somehow never updated scathach np damage
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anyway, its 61k

[manafusion]

Impossible for what? Of course its possible. I said "like" a single target Servant, not "better than" single target Servant.

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But.... your own photo features three 5 ☆.... and you dont want to see others posting proof images with more than 5 star...?

No, I was talking about Scathach's NP damage numbers only. Which Aozaki-desu just replied.

I forgot to add context. Of which, I'm specifically targeting the buff combo picture examples that are used as proof for comparisons (exemptions applies on specific comparisons such as 'highest damage possible comparison'). Because not everyone can get the right Servants in one team due to luck/financial insufficiency.


Example of such combos: Okita, Scathach, Atalanta, Waver, etc, etc.

[Trubo]

Was bored, tried soloing robespierre with tamamo
Stuns are annoying, and that sure wasn't a waste of 20 minutes
Tamamo's pretty great though
What does more damage, her arts brave chain or BAA chain (with fox's wedding and whatever her item creation is)

BAA will always do more damage than any other brave chain that Tamamo is capable of doing due to the bonus 0.5 that gets factored in to the card type/position-related modifier for each card.

[Mcjon01]

No, I was talking about Scathach's NP damage numbers only. Which Aozaki-desu just replied.

But why are you comparing Buster NP numbers with a Quick NP in the first place, it's stupid, no Buster NP was ever going to have a 1600-2400% modifier, single target or otherwise.

[manafusion]

But why are you comparing Buster NP numbers with a Quick NP in the first place, it's stupid, no Buster NP was ever going to have a 1600-2400% modifier, single target or otherwise.

... I forgot about the additional value that still exist after card type is factored in. Whoops.

For reference:

(Upgraded single-target Quick)
1600 x 0.8 = 1280%

(Gil's Upgraded NP @ 100% Overcharge vs Servant)
780 x 1.5 = 1170%

(Upgraded single-target Buster)
700 x 1.5 = 1050%

[Kyte]

Scathach with her own Quick Up only. That's 58k damage against neutral targets on rough calculations.

a) Quicks do more damage. This is well-known. 600% * 150% = 900%. 900% * 100% = 900%. 1200% * 80% = 960%. It's an unfair comparison in first place.
b) Again you're arguing in bad faith. Buff is not part of NP damage.
c) And you're comparing a single instance.

And seriously jesus christ of course it's not gonna compare to buffed upgraded single target, it's a fucking AoE. But it's still comparable if you're not nitpicking and arguing in bad faith.

Seriously, if you're gonna shit on everything because it's not as good as the best-case, top-tier scenario then please go somewhere else.

[manafusion]

a) Quicks do more damage. This is well-known. 600% * 150% = 900%. 900% * 100% = 900%. 1200% * 80% = 960%. It's an unfair comparison in first place.
b) Again you're arguing in bad faith. Buff is not part of NP damage.
c) And you're comparing a single instance.

And seriously jesus christ of course it's not gonna compare to buffed upgraded single target, it's a fucking AoE. But it's still comparable if you're not nitpicking and arguing in bad faith.

Seriously, if you're gonna shit on everything because it's not as good as the best-case, top-tier scenario then please go somewhere else.

Castor was saying that Gil does 3x single-target NP so I just put her out there as a comparison case against the values that Aozaki-desu shown (which had Fous maxed and self-buffs only).

Of course, I forgot about the amount of additional damage that Quick NP has above Buster/Art and yes, it's an unfair comparison. Sorry for riling you up, Kyte.

[Lily Emilio]

Castor was saying that Gil does 3x single-target NP

Pretty sure he meant it does damage close to a single target NP's damage vs servants, and since there are 3 enemies on the field it's like doing single target NP damages to 3 targets (so he said "triple"). His word choice confused you. He kinda clarified it in this post here anyway:

Impossible for what? Of course its possible. I said "like" a single target Servant, not "better than" single target Servant.

[manafusion]

Pretty sure he meant it does damage close to a single target NP's damage vs servants, and since there are 3 enemies on the field it's like doing single target NP damages to 3 targets (so he said "triple"). His word choice confused you. He kinda clarified it in this post here anyway:

I guess so. I'm ashamed of myself.

[castor212]

Pretty sure he meant it does damage close to a single target NP's damage vs servants, and since there are 3 enemies on the field it's like doing single target NP damages to 3 targets (so he said "triple"). His word choice confused you. He kinda clarified it in this post here anyway:

This.

I thought that my choice of words were pretty clear tbh though. I mean, it seems Kyte and some other gets it.

[Enchants]

Whatever the case, im just glad they fixed Gil. He feels more complete now. No problem with NP damage, regular damage, NP gain, star making. For me that's enough.

Although people will prolly complain on collector but eh, it synergizes with golden rule so not a big deal.

[castor212]

Well, then.

I think it's pretty much clear for people now that I meant Gil's AoE can do same damage as ST, and against three enemy it's ST NP damage to 3 enemies at the same time.

Since manafusion said "Because not everyone can get the right Servants in one team due to luck/financial insufficiency", which is a fair point, Ill do a comparison that uses NO buff at all. Not even the Servants' own buffs from skill.

Gil's AoE NP vs a Servant's ST NP, against Servant.

1st pic is Servants condition before firing NP.
2nd pic is Sca's damage.
3rd pic is, after reloading the game, Gil's NP damage.

No buffs from SKILLS. Only what is in both original NP. Both maxed fou. Both NP lvl1 post interlude, 100% charge. No Atk increase CE. Only Sensei and I for Sca that raises HP, and none for Gil. Waver is brought along only to makes it easier for Arts Chaining.