Fate/Grand Order Gameplay Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Trubo]

Edit: Fuck, made a huge typo when writing up Arash's NP damage. Refer to the reddit thread I posted for the correction. I chose to replace Ishtar with Gilgamesh because of Gilgamesh's NP interlude and bonus damage to Astolfo/d'Eon.

For people wanting a good Mona Lisa farming (Fake) setup, here's something I came up with. Should be the least whale-intensive one to do. As per usual, assuming fourth ascension level cap, +1000 Four Attack, NP5 for any Servant available in FP gacha or event welfare SR, and any NP interlude or skill strengthening quest done.

Setup:

• Mystic Code = Fragment of 2004 (level 6)
• Chloe (x/10/10, 100 Golden Sumo)
• Arash (x/x/6, max LB Hollow Magic or x/x/1, Kaleidoscope)
• support NP1 Ishtar (10/10/10, max LB School of Chaldea)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #1 (Reika CE)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #2 (Reika CE)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #3 (max LB Empieta or Maiden Leading Chaldea)

Wave 1:

• just kill the damn things, they only have 9k HP. Guess you can try to generate some stars or something

Wave 2:

• Chloe's second and third skills, Arash's third skill, Ishtar's skills, Memories of the Lunar Sea Arts Up on Chloe, Chloe NP
• Chloe NP = [(9845+1000+2000) * 15 * 1 * (1+.275) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.15) * (1+.4)] = 200869 minimum damage (Spriggan has 207158 HP)
• Might need an extra hit or two on Spriggan, but it should die this turn.

Wave 3 (if using max LB Empieta):

• Arash NP -> Ishtar NP
• Arash NP = [(9845+1000+300) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 2 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 94679 minimum damage
• Ishtar NP1 = [(12252+1000+300) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 58532 minimum damage
• Ishtar NP2 = [(12252+1000+300) * 4 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 77968 minimum damage
• Astolfo should have 20k or less HP after both NPs, should die same turn.

Wave 3 (if using max LB Maiden Leading Chaldea):

• Arash NP -> Ishtar NP
• Arash NP = [(9845+1000+300) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 2 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 94679/104147 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• Ishtar NP1 = [(12252+1000+300) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 58532/47931 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• Ishtar NP2 = [(12252+1000+300) * 4 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 77968/63833 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• d'Eon should have 20k or less HP after both NPs, should die same turn.

In most cases, this should be a three turn battle. Rolling low in wave 3 might make it a 4 turn battle.

[Kromy]

For people wanting a good Mona Lisa farming (Fake) setup, here's something I came up with. Should be the least whale-intensive one to do. As per usual, assuming fourth ascension level cap, +1000 Four Attack, NP5 for any Servant available in FP gacha or event welfare SR, and any NP interlude or skill strengthening quest done.

Setup:

• Mystic Code = Memories of the Lunar Sea (level 6)
• Chloe (x/10/10, 100 Golden Sumo)
• Arash (x/x/6, max LB Hollow Magic or x/x/1, Kaleidoscope)
• support NP1 Ishtar (10/10/10, max LB School of Chaldea)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #1 (Reika CE)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #2 (Reika CE)
• true manuscript boosting Servant #3 (max LB Empieta or Maiden Leading Chaldea)

Wave 1:

• just kill the damn things, they only have 9k HP. Guess you can try to generate some stars or something

Wave 2:

• Chloe's second and third skills, Arash's third skill, Ishtar's skills, Memories of the Lunar Sea Arts Up on Chloe, Chloe NP
• Chloe NP = [(9845+1000+2000) * 15 * 1 * (1+.4+.35) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.15)] = 196390 minimum damage
• Might need an extra hit or two on Spriggan, but it should die this turn.

Wave 3 (if using max LB Empieta):

• Arash NP -> Ishtar NP
• Arash NP = [(9845+1000+300) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 2 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 94679 minimum damage
• Ishtar NP1 = [(12252+1000+300) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 58532 minimum damage
• Ishtar NP2 = [(12252+1000+300) * 4 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 77968 minimum damage
• Astolfo should have 20k or less HP after both NPs, should die same turn.

Wave 3 (if using max LB Maiden Leading Chaldea):

• Arash NP -> Ishtar NP
• Arash NP = [(9845+1000+300) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 2 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2)] = 94679/104147 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• Ishtar NP1 = [(12252+1000+300) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 58532/47931 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• Ishtar NP2 = [(12252+1000+300) * 4 * 1.5 * (1+.3) * 0.95 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.2+.5)+225] = 77968/63833 minimum damage to mook/d'Eon
• d'Eon should have 20k or less HP after both NPs, should die same turn.

In most cases, this should be a three turn battle. Rolling low in wave 3 might make it a 4 turn battle.

Too complicated to understand for me, as usual i will make a 3 turn team with my guts.

[Trubo]

Don't feel like fucking around with formats on multiple sites, so here are setups for bronze and silver currencies too. Note, silver currency is a bitch and a half trying to complete in a timely fashion without relying on quartz gacha Casters and Alter Egos.

https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/...arming_setups/

[Rafflesiac]

Assuming an NP matches the relevant card type bonus, what level would an Aerial Drive or Dive to Blue have to be to be better for NP damage than a level 100 Golden Sumo?

[Skittles]

even assuming no other atk, buster, or NP damage buffs, the servant's base attack is a factor here, so more information is needed
around lvl 50-60 thoughfor most SSRs I think, with the level required increasing as the base attack decreases

[Rafflesiac]

Oh, whoops. Then Tesla and Kuro, then.

[Skittles]

assuming max fou'd lvl 90 tesla, all self buffs at lvl 10 proc and no other buffs, lvl 45
assuming max fou'd lvl 80 kuro, all self buffs at lvl 10, you'd need like a lvl 185 dive to blue lol

[Rafflesiac]

jesus

[Skittles]

it's awkward for chloe since she has a pretty good arts buff, no attack buff, low-ish attack, and dive to blue has a crappy 1k attack at level 100

[Trubo]

Assuming an NP matches the relevant card type bonus, what level would an Aerial Drive or Dive to Blue have to be to be better for NP damage than a level 100 Golden Sumo?

Aerial Drive should always beat Golden Sumo except when there's already a hefty Buster Up and/or NP Damage Up buff on the Servant. As for Dive to Blue, it's mixed stats, so you'll probably need it to be around level 80 to make it better than a level 20 Golden Sumo.

[Trubo]

And that reddit farming guide thing should be complete. At least, assuming no enemy composition changes happen.

[Trubo]

Skeletons and Dragon Tooth Warriors are both Earth attribute, right?

[Trubo]

KAIZA and Mcjon, I'm sorry. I'll see if a possible Plugsuit setup can do it in 3 turns, but yeah, you need a max LB Black Grail if you want to guarantee a 3 turn setup the way I've got it written. NP5 Okeanus Caster with a level 20 Black Grail cannot kill the Wave 2 Soul Eater the way I have it listed below.

Assassin 40 AP 3 turn setup

Setup

• Mystic Code = Anniversary Blond (10)
• Arash (max LB Hollow Magic, x/x/6)
• NP2 Sanzang (max LB Black Grail with 840 Attack, 10/x/x) | NP3 Sanzang (Black Grail with 840 Attack, 10/x/x) | NP3 Okeanus Caster (max LB Black Grail with 1724 Attack, 5/10/x)
• support Waver (CE doesn't matter, x/x/10)
• NP3 Nero (Caster) (max LB Black Grail with 2059 Attack, 10/10/10)

Wave 1

• Arash's third skill, Arash's NP
• Arash NP = 22669 minimum damage, all enemies dead
  Spoiler:

  [(5816+300+1000) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23]

Wave 2

• Waver's second and third skills, Sanzang's first skill | Okeanus Caster's first and second skill, Caster damage NP
• NP2 Sanzang + max LB Black Grail with 840 Attack = 177155 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(11658+840+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.8)+625]
• NP3 Sanzang + Black Grail with 840 Attack = 175390 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(11658+840+1000) * 11 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.6)+625]

• NP3 Okeanus Caster + max LB Black Grail with 1724 Attack = 170734 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(8671+2400+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.2) * (1+.8)+500]

Wave 3

• Waver's first skill on Nero (Caster), Anniversary Blond's Buster Up on Nero (Caster), all of Nero (Caster)'s skills, Waver's NP -> Nero (Caster)'s NP
• Nero (Caster) Np = 254511 minimum damage to all enemies, all enemies dead
  Spoiler:

  [(10857+2059+1000) * 4.5 * 1.5 * (1+.6) * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.5+.3+.3) * (1+.3+.8)+500]

[Trubo]

Well, this one is slightly less restrictive. You still need a ton of stuff, but I guess it's more likely to have than the above.

Assassin 40 AP with Plugsuit

Setup

• Mystic Code = Plugsuit (10)
• Arash (max LB Hollow Magic, x/x/6)
• NP2 Sanzang (max LB Black Grail with 840 Attack, 10/x/x) | NP3 Sanzang (Black Grail with 840 Attack, 10/x/x) | NP3 Okeanus Caster (max LB Black Grail with 1724 Attack, 5/10/x)
• Waver (CE doesn't matter, x/x/10)
• NP2 Okeanus Caster (level 20 Black Grail ~840 Attack, 1/10/x) | NP1 Sanzang (Black Grail with 840 Attack, 10/x/x)
• NP1 Nero (Caster) (level 20 max LB Aerial Drive, 10/10/10) | NP2 Da Vinci (100 Golden Sumo, x/x/10)

Wave 1

• Arash's third skill, Arash's NP
• Arash NP =
  Spoiler:

  [(5816+300+1000) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23] = 22669 minimum damage, all enemies dead

Wave 2

• Waver's second and third skills, Sanzang's first skill | Okeanus Caster's first and second skill, Caster damage NP
• NP2 Sanzang + max LB Black Grail with 840 Attack = 177155 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(11658+840+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.8)+625]
• NP3 Sanzang + Black Grail with 840 Attack = 175390 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(11658+840+1000) * 11 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.6)+625]
• NP3 Okeanus Caster + max LB Black Grail with 1724 Attack = 170734 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
  Spoiler:

  [(8671+2400+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.2) * (1+.8)+500]

Wave 3

• Plugsuit swap Wave 2 Caster for Nero (Caster), Plugsuit Attack Up
• all of Nero (Caster)'s skills, Okeanus Caster's first and second skills, target boss
• Waver's NP -> Okeanus Caster's NP -> Nero (Caster)'s NP
• NP2 Okeanus Caster NP = 174200 minimum damage to boss
  Spoiler:

  [(8671+840+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.2+.3+.3) * (1+.6)+500]
• NP1 Sanzang NP = 186389 minimum damage to boss
  Spoiler:

  [(11658+840+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.3) * (1+.2+.6)+625]
• NP1 Nero (Caster) NP (if Okeanus Caster) = 92340/81847 minimum damage to mooks/boss, all enemies dead
  Spoiler:

  [(10857+786+1000) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.1) * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.5+.3+.3+.2) * (1+.4+.1)]
• NP1 Nero (Caster) NP (if NP1 Sanzang) = 92340/75551 minimum damage to mooks/boss, all enemies dead
  Spoiler:

  [(10857+786+1000) * 3 * 1.5 * (1+.1) * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.5+.3+.3) * (1+.4+.1)]
• NP2 Da Vinci = 81927/91290 minimum damage to mooks/boss. 85k HP mook could survive, but should die to normal attacks
  Spoiler:

  [(10598+2000+1000) * 4.5 * 1 * (1+.1) * 0.9 * 2 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.15) * (1+.4)]

[KAIZA]

Hmm...While I do have some of those, I don't have the required NP or skill levels (NP1 Okeanos Caster, NP2 Nero Caster, both of them topping at 6 because mats are hard). But, I can use this as a basis to try think up alternatives with what I have. Thanks.

[Trubo]

Oh, I imagine that NP1 Sanzang can replace that NP2 Okeanus Caster, same setup.

Edit: Yep, she would.

[(11658+840+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.3) * (1+.2+.6)+625] = 186389 minimum damage

[Rafflesiac]

tfw no lb evil iri ce

[Magikewl]

Can’t imagine living without Nakahara CEs

[Arha]

Hopefully Xuanzang and Melt make that area tolerable. I'm not very happy about those bulky ghost adds on the third wave though. Support Nero can handle them I hope.

[Trubo]

tfw no lb evil iri ce

Well, if you already have NP2 Okeanus Caster or NP1 Sanzang, one Black Grail, Waver, and one Nero (Caster), you can 3 turn that node.

- - - Updated - - -

Basically, just make Pai put his Sanzang up as support with max LB Black Grail if you really want to three turn that node, provided you have what I mentioned just above.