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    Oh, that's actually a decent amount. With that amount, that drops the NP level requirement of the Sanzang in Wave 2 by one each, assuming you have Helena.

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    is NP2 Freed good enough

    please tell me he's good enough
    Who? Oh, Edison. lol
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    sorry, sorry, i mean siegfried

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    i suck at nickname
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    nothing makes sense

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    Since rxrx mentioned Helena, there's three different ways to approach it: Helena is present for Wave 2 and uses third skill, Helena is present for Wave 2 and doesn't use third skill, and Helena gets swapped in for Wave 3. There are then two sub-cases for each case depending on if you use Sanzang or Okeanus Caster for Wave 3.

    For Case 1, there is a chance of failure for both sub-cases since Liz could resist a debuff. For the Sanzang sub-case, the chance is pretty small, as only a single Defense Down debuff needs to be applied. For the Okeanus Caster sub-case, every Defense Down debuff needs to be applied.

    I don't feel like formatting it properly for Beast's lair, so have a giant spoiler of all the math.

    Case 1 Assassin 40 AP

    Setup

    • Mystic Code = Plugsuit (10)
    • Arash (max LB Hollow Magic, x/x/6)
    • NP2 Sanzang (level 20 max LB Black Grail, 10/x/x) | NP2 Sanzang (Black Grail, 10/x/x) | NP3 Okeanus Caster (level 20 max LB Black Grail, 5/10/x)
    • Waver (Kaleidoscope, x/x/10)
    • NP2 Helena (Caster) (level 20 max LB Holy Night Supper, 10/10/10)
    • NP2 Okeanus Caster (level 20 Black Grail , 5/10/x) | NP1 Sanzang (level 20 Black Grail, 10/x/x)
    • Extra Class (Kuzuki CE or School of Chaldea)


    Wave 1


    • Arash's third skill, Arash's NP
    • Arash NP = 22669, all enemies dead
      Spoiler:
      [(5816+300+1000) * 12 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.95 * 1 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23]


    Wave 2

    • Waver's second and third skills, Sanzang's first skill | Okeanus Caster's first and second skill, Helena's third skill, Caster single target NP
    • NP1 Sanzang + level 20 max LB Black Grail = 171387 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
      Spoiler:
      [(11658+943+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * (1+.2) * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.8)+625]
    • NP2 Sanzang + Black Grail = 187887 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
      Spoiler:
      [(11658+600+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * (1+.2) * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.2+.6)+625]
    • NP3 Okeanus Caster + level 20 max LB Black Grail = 182357 minimum damage, Soul Eater dead
      Spoiler:
      [(8671+943+1000) * 10 * 1.5 * (1+.2) * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3) * (1+.8)+500]


    Wave 3

    • Plugsuit swap Wave 2 single target NP Caster for wave 3 single target NP Caster, Plugsuit Attack Up
    • Waver's first skill on Helena, Helena's first skill
    • If reserve Sanzang is your Wave 3 Caster, reserve Sanzang's first skill, Waver's NP -> Helena's NP -> reserve Sanzang's NP
    • If reserve Okeanus Caster is your Wave 3 Caster, target boss, reserve Okeanus Caster's first and second skills, Waver's NP -> Helena's NP -> reserve Okeanus Caster's NP


    Note: If Liz is the boss, her MR can prevent the Defense Down debuffs from applying.


    • Helena NP (if Sanzang in wave 3) = 91439/74904/83171/70118 minimum damage to mooks/Carmilla/Liz (Waver's Defense Debuff works)/Liz (Waver's Defense Debuff fails)
      Spoiler:
      [(8629+786+1000) * 7.5 * 1 * (1+.1+.2) * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.3) * (1+.15)+500]
    • Helena NP (if Okeanus Caster in wave 3) = 91439/82736/91874/83171/78820/70118 minimum damage to mooks/Carmilla/Liz (both debuffs work, Waver's debuff works, Okeanus Caster's debuff works, neither works)
      Spoiler:
      [(8629+786+1000) * 7.5 * 1 * (1+.1+.2) * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.3) * (1+.15)+500]
    • Mooks dead for both of the above cases
    • NP1 Sanzang NP = 177455/197158/175265/164319/142426 minimum damage to Carmilla/Liz (both debuffs work, Waver's debuff works, Helena's debuff works, neither works)
      Spoiler:
      [(11658+943+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.2) * (1+.2+.6)+125]
    • Carmilla definitely dies, Liz dies so long as one Defense Down debuff applies.
    • NP2 Okeanus Caster NP = 167549/137177/123509/109841/89340 minimum damage to Carmilla/Liz (all debuffs work, Helena's or Okeanus Caster's doesn't work, neither Helena nor Okeanus Caster work, none work)
      Spoiler:
      [(8671+943+1000) * 8 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.9 * 2 * 1.1 * 0.9 * 0.23 * (1+.3+.3+.2+.2) * (1+.6)+500]
    • Carmilla definitely dies, Liz dies only if every debuff applies


    Working on the Case 2 part now. Shouldn't take as long since it's pretty much identical to the Nero (Caster)/Da Vinci setup until Wave 3.

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    sorry, sorry, i mean siegfried

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    Oh, you're talking about the Lancer daily. NP level might be an issue since enemies aren't dragons, but I can check that later.
    Last edited by Trubo; January 13th, 2018 at 12:42 PM.
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GundamFSN View Post
    Good news, Emiya is SSR tier

    After 2 SQ and an NP interlude.
    Being better than Arjuna isn't a big achievement I'd say.


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    Certainly. If Arjuna, Orion, and fucker Moriarty never existed I wouldn't be here making such a bold claim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Working on the Case 2 part now. Shouldn't take as long since it's pretty much identical to the Nero (Caster)/Da Vinci setup until Wave 3.
    Actually, no. Too much time spent thinking of three turn setups that people won't give much a rat's ass about since you have to utterly kill your drop bonus to accomplish. I don't mind giving my opinion on certain setups, but I'm just going to leave it at Assassin 40 AP is too much a pain in the ass to think of good setups for.
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Thanks for what you did count btw.
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    nothing makes sense

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    So after the announcement of the Setsubun event, I decided to give it a try to create a Quick based team, even if I know it's not the best team one would use. So far, my candidates for the front are:
    - Meltrylis, with LB Imaginary Around.
    - Parvati.
    - Osakabehime.

    As you can probably guess, Meltrylis is the main damage dealer for this team. The whole point of this team is simple, get her to spam her NP as much as possible, while having a good number of stars at all times to guarantee that her cards crit to increase her NP gain and make her do more damage that she's capable of. I am trying to even make it so she can basically ignore class difference when attacking as much as possible, if not for damage because she constantly rapid-fires NPs and crits.

    So why have I decided to choose both Parvati and Osakabehime?
    - Both have good star gen and have three Quick cards including their NP. I was specially looking for Quick NPs as they let me have a Quick card on demand.
    - Both have good NP gain, specially Parvati for what I tested, so they can use their NPs often which is also needed in their case.
    - Both can give Meltrylis NP with their skills (Parvati with her NP to all allies too), so I always have a higher chance to get Melt to use her NP if she can reach it herself.
    - Both can heal, so they can help Melt last longer.
    - Both can survive an NP if I use their defense up skills alongside Melt's NP down skill (which I have maxed, so that's 50% damage down). Either damage turns 0, or they barely do damage.
    - Osakabehime can provide further damage increase with her defense down skill and her Quick up, while Parvati can do quite a good amount of damage if I use Ashes of Kama, so I can still do some damage at some points to make things die faster (and I have Parvati at NP3 for some bloody reason).

    So after that wall of text, I need some advice for this team, mainly:
    - Which are the best Servants to put in the backrow? My plan is at least another Quick support and an emergency damage dealer in case Melt dies to end the fight as soon as possible, though if you have better suggestions for roles I'm up for it. I finally have level 140 so that's the total cost I can afford right now.
    - Recommended CEs for everybody, including Melt. Imaginary Around is IMO the best CE for Melt, but if you have a better suggestion then I'm all in too.

    And as a final note, please DW give Melt an NP interlude so her Quick up scales nicely, 10% at no overcharge is unacceptable frankly, it kills her potential. Same for Osakabehime while I'm at it.

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    Jack Wu Tristan if you have any of them for backrow

    Altera the Sun / Tristan / Atalante / Billy to deal with Sabers



    I am still testing CEs so I can't tell you what the best option is there. I typically just pick the lazy option of Prisma/Maiden who knew naught of love/2030s on the non main DD.
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    Tristan seems like a good choice, I used him a lot in the previous event and I was left very satisfied on how he performed. I will have to grab the Atlas suit though if I'm interested in using his NP the moment he joins the fight.

    For the other choice, I do have Wu and Jack (in fact, I have all Servants you posted), though Jack is a bit of a worry because three 5* Servants eat a lot of the team cost. Thing is, while I have Wu, I still don't know how to properly use her unfortunately. How exactly does she work?

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    She's there as a backup option since wasn't sure if you had jack or not


    cost is an issue but I haven't looked into it since event started
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    Osakabe is not a support

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    Yeah, I was just thinking that Melt's overcharge was really pathetic and needs fixing. Only 10% and applied after damage is just mean. It might as well not be there at all.
    Supports: 1/21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aozaki-desu View Post
    Osakabe is not a support
    elaborate

    Chaldea Heroes

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    Well, fine. Nikiri has this thing called 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」
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    GundamFSN. Thank you.

    Just before rolling I said 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」

    First ticket. Da Vinci-chan NP2.

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    This means, reddit dropped the ball. Again.


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    she isnt?

    what is she then
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    I dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikiri View Post
    elaborate
    if she doesnt suck up stars into aqq chains she cant gain np
    and her np is really supbar for decent supporting

    that simple really, she needs to be main offense or secondary offense

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    Wu is a decent support quick support with her last skill. I use her a lot more than I thought I would, mostly due to the lack of quick support Casters.
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    Or just go "get outta the house, hikkikomori" route, and have her solo turtle stuff.


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    She’s a solo artist tbh

    Playing her in a team feels really awkward

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