Fate/Grand Order Gameplay Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Trubo]

Is it better to run 2 MLB Tenkihimes (support included), 1 non-MLB Tenkihime, and Mona Lisa or 4 non-MLB Tenkihimes, Mona Lisa, and Bella Lisa?

Depends on how much you value increasing the spawn rate over overall QP gains. On average, there's not much of a difference between the two setups, but, as manafusion has pointed out, some people prefer guaranteeing the spawn rate with a lower overall bonus more to prevent the bad case of no rare spawn with higher overall bonus.

I posted the math earlier, assuming that 1.5M is the average QP yield before factoring in rare spawn and QP bonus, but I don't know what that actual number is.

I will say that, for FEVER quests, I'd take guaranteeing the rare spawn over higher potential since you have a limited number of FEVER tickets. However, since I've never done the FEVER fight, I don't know if higher spawn bonus even matters.

[astagadragon]

Dismantled Kotarou with usual stalling team without even receiving more than 2,000 damage. Ez pz

Now back to farming naga eggs, bye summer 2019!

[Yggdrasil]

Depends on how much you value increasing the spawn rate over overall QP gains. On average, there's not much of a difference between the two setups, but, as manafusion has pointed out, some people prefer guaranteeing the spawn rate with a lower overall bonus more to prevent the bad case of no rare spawn with higher overall bonus.

I posted the math earlier, assuming that 1.5M is the average QP yield before factoring in rare spawn and QP bonus, but I don't know what that actual number is.

I will say that, for FEVER quests, I'd take guaranteeing the rare spawn over higher potential since you have a limited number of FEVER tickets. However, since I've never done the FEVER fight, I don't know if higher spawn bonus even matters.

It adds one rare enemy in the third wave.

[Trubo]

Then it's not worth buffing spawn rate at the cost of QP bonuses in the FEVER fights, as the rare spawn's QP drop isn't larger than it would normally be.

[Zork Knight]

So how viable is Fionn for Tamamocelsus farming
What's the minimum skills/NP level needed

[Trubo]

Well, he's been able to NP loop for some time now. Just think that Melt is better beyond the weaker NP multiplier.

[Pendant]

Melt feels different in that she isn't bound to Tamamo. In using her Waver has felt much more important to the setup than Tamamo. Tamamo buffs are great though, so if you can squeeze her in you should. Just saying she doesn't seem to be needed.

[Zork Knight]

I don't have and might never have Melt and my Fionn is NP2 so...

[Oz1337]

So I'm bumping this thread to post my Heracles results, as I don't have Caster Artoria to put NP loop results. This is the ideal combo you can get with Heracles, equipped with Bond CE and all skills at 10, with all SQs done, using Mystic Code that reduces cooldown of skills + invulnerability.

1. First turn, use the dodge in his skill, also use Guts.
2. Second turn, HP at 0. Triggers Guts from his third skill (tested and it will always do this one). +20% Buster Up next turn.
3. Third turn, HP at 0. First Guts from his Bond CE. +40% Buster Up next turn.
4. Fourth turn, HP at 0. Second Guts from his Bond CE. +60% Buster Up next turn.
5. Fifth turn, HP at 0. Third and last Guts from his Bond CE. +80% Buster Up next turn. The Buster Up on Guts buff is gone.
6. Sixth turn, either use invincibility from Atlas or Guts from Anniversary.. Current cooldown of skills are first skill already available, dodge at one turn remaining, guts at 2. +80% Buster Up next turn.
7. Seven turn. Dodge is out of cooldown so another free turn. Guts at 1. +60% Buster Up next turn.
8. Guts at 0, so another turn for free. +60% Buster Up next turn since you recovered that Buster Up on Guts buff.
9. Heracles dies.

You can also replace that Mystic Code with Anniversary for extra Buster Up, a new Guts for more stacking and easier chance to crit, simply put the Guts where the Invincibility is, though you're losing the debuff removal which is really useful sometimes.

So basically, in ideal circumstances Heracles lives for 9 turns and is doing around +60-80% Buster damage on average. Perfectly balanced.

[Herod]

Need a video with "He comes back again and again" as BGM

[VendingMachine]

Is the Atlas mystic code the most minmaxy we can go right here? Because what i am thinking right now in a solo environment is going with Anniversary Blonde instead. Sure, you get one less turn, but you get a big steroid and plenty of stars on Herc's final turn(with all the buster ups + crit damage) so it might potentially be better?

[asterism42]

[Oz1337]

Is the Atlas mystic code the most minmaxy we can go right here? Because what i am thinking right now in a solo environment is going with Anniversary Blonde instead. Sure, you get one less turn, but you get a big steroid and plenty of stars on Herc's final turn(with all the buster ups + crit damage) so it might potentially be better?

For what I checked you don't lose a turn, you don't even need the cooldown reduction after he got his Guts lowered by one turn. But you're risking the fact that you don't have any way to remove debuffs which Atlas grants you, and if the enemy removes your buffs you can still reduce the cooldown earlier so you can use them again.

Basically it's all about what risk you want to take. If you know the enemy can't put a debuff that can cripple him, Anniversary is the way to go. If there's that risk then Atlas is the way to go.

[Herod]

The superior Berserker has won.

[Oz1337]

Btw, it may seem like the Buster Up duration makes no sense, but since the Buster Up is added in the enemy's turn (unless you CGed) and damage buffs applied to your Servants only decrease their cooldown at the end of your turn, it lasts a bit longer than I expected it to be. Which is even better for us LOL.

[SpoonyViking]

Taking advantage of this thread being revived, let me ask a question about Semiramis, please: which is better for her NP damage, Aerial Drive (or even Golden Sumo) or her Sikera Usum Skill at rank 10?

[Aozaki-desu]

The main takeaway of this buff is that whenever there is cq nonsense where you are buster-debuffed on attack (which happens disgustingly often) you can counteract it somewhat

[Rafflesiac]

On a scale of 1 to Disco how dead is Tamamo and how's Bride looking?

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Taking advantage of this thread being revived, let me ask a question about Semiramis, please: which is better for her NP damage, Aerial Drive (or even Golden Sumo) or her Sikera Usum Skill at rank 10?

just use both

[Oz1337]

On a scale of 1 to Disco how dead is Tamamo and how's Bride looking?

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just use both

Tamamo is useful for the skill cooldown reduction and heak, if you really need it. But tbh Caster Artoria powercreeped her hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a buff like they did with Nero Bride.

But the one that has been powercreeped the most is Jeanne IMO. Caster Artoria's NP is just better than Jeanne's in all regards. Caster Artoria's NP spam is also easier than Jeanne's too.

[Aozaki-desu]

Tamamo is not dead? She is the second best option to boost your NP damage, and value of her Arts now depends on how much refund your servant requires after factoring in Castoria. Its all about hitting that refund breakpoint, yknow.

Actually, i would say Bride's value diminishes significantly because Castoria is the absolute highest value in terms of refund boost (50 arts 30 np up). She still has NP charge but again its all case-by-case basis.

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I mean if you were running Tamamo Bride Whoever before
you would toss Bride before Tamamo in 100% of the cases in favor of Castoria