Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[JetKinen]

Hey a Mistico shoutout

Man nobody shiws Quetz what happened to his career

[JellyfishMarine]

Probably the latter, the former doesn't make any sense,

Actually, nvm, Wicurio also listed the former. He lost his liberty to converse after he became the People's King

I also thought it was probably a typo or simply a transcription mistake. However, as you pointed out, 'liberty' also makes sense. This Gilgamesh is the one that became matured because of Enkidu's death---perhaps talking to Enkidu equates to denying Enkidu's death and thus also deny his own growth?
Personally, I was just a little curious, but there are Gilgamesh fans in my TL so I'd like to avoid feeding them inaccurate information. Whether the line actually used 自由 or 理由 do make a major different for them...you know what I mean. Anyway, thanks for your insight.

Update: Found a video on Nicodou, confirmed that it's indeed 自由　http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30213539

[You]

well it's not like a Heroic Spirit in the Throne consists purely of the soul which once inhabited a body, right?

you just need 認識宇宙's recognition or something like that

英霊 is more of a record, than anything. A really thick file on "Enkidu"

There was a debate like a long while ago that was something along the lines of
"considering

"No. Haven't you been taught that any humans, animals, or machines that leave any great achievements behind get removed from the ring of reincarnation and sublimate into beings of higher rank?
Heroes are that sort of beings.
To put it simply, they have been worshipped and made into artificial gods."

how is Herc both a Heroic Spirit and a Divine Spirit?"

So now at least I see the answer to that question as, it doesn't matter what happens to the soul at all in terms of being a Heroic Spirit. Therefore, he can be both. Since like you said, its the record that's important.

[castor212]

Just curious but why did you translate 分霊 as "portion"? It's a big Shinto term. Nasu only used this term for Tamamo until now. The special trait of this kind of avatar compare to others is

extella

Which is why Golden White Face has identical powerlevel of 9 tails Tamamo, as shown in Extella material when used as a comparison to Titan Altera, yet Tamamo can't become Golden White Face if she regains all tails.

The 分霊's stature is considered inferior to the original, but their functions and power is identical to that of the original.

Granted that I don't know a better word for it but calling it "portion" gives the impression that the latter is quite smaller in power scale compare to the original.

Is it the one with the computer analogue thingy? The one where you explained that an uh ofshoot of a god help tje god spreading fame and blessing?

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There was a debate like a long while ago that was something along the lines of
"considering

how is Herc both a Heroic Spirit and a Divine Spirit?"

So now at least I see the answer to that question as, it doesn't matter what happens to the soul at all in terms of being a Heroic Spirit. Therefore, he can be both. Since like you said, its the record that's important.

Wait uh

I always thought that the thing that got elevated is the soul itself

Like, how does that work then, if a soul is completely destroyed? Did he become HS purely by record and no soul was elevated to the Throne?

Head hurts

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Also wasnt there something about Quetz that

Spoiler:

divinity spread like bacteria for murican gods

[You]

Is it the one with the computer analogue thingy? The one where you explained that an uh ofshoot of a god help tje god spreading fame and blessing?

that's 分身 this is 分霊

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Wait uh

I always thought that the thing that got elevated is the soul itself

Like, how does that work then, if a soul is completely destroyed? Did he become HS purely by record and no soul was elevated to the Throne?

Head hurts

now it seems the actual soul doesn't need to be there to be elevation or the throne will take a record of the soul.
but since a record of the soul basically the soul, it honestly doesn't matter.

[castor212]

Wow that really makes me conflicted regarding how legit a HS is

So um we were really told Enkidu soul was really destroyed in the story?

[GDB]

Not sure why it should make you conflicted considering we've had many instances of Servants whose abilities change based on common perception of them.

[Trubo]

After reading Quetz's profile, I really want to see a lucha fight between Quetz and Martha.

[Daneel Rush]

Quetzalcoatl VS Luchador Rin.

[Kyte]

that's 分身 this is 分霊

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now it seems the actual soul doesn't need to be there to be elevation or the throne will take a record of the soul.
but since a record of the soul basically the soul, it honestly doesn't matter.

Just like the Moon Cell! :V

(Actually considering how the soul is information and presumably the throne has no limitations in terms of what is or is not true magic it'd make perfect sense if it could simply manufacture new souls from the record)

[castor212]

Not sure why it should make you conflicted considering we've had many instances of Servants whose abilities change based on common perception of them.

Abilities changed by perception aint the same as not!original soul.

Because i always thought there is at least something original from the original hero, aka the elevated soul, in the throne for said HS basis.

Now it turns out it might not even the soul of the origonal hero, just a copy of it. Ok, a perfect copy, but still.

[Mcjon01]

Abilities changed by perception aint the same as not!original soul.

Because i always thought there is at least something original from the original hero, aka the elevated soul, in the throne for said HS basis.

Now it turns out it might not even the soul of the origonal hero, just a copy of it. Ok, a perfect copy, but still.

And where exactly did you think the people that didn't exist came from

[castor212]

And where exactly did you think the people that didn't exist came from

do we have those

Like, so far my interpretation is that even Kojiro has a soul of swordmaster farmer, and guys like Jekyll and stuffs has the soul of the guy who is the basis and inspiration of the tale.

[Qinglong]

do we have those

Like, so far my interpretation is that even Kojiro has a soul of swordmaster farmer, and guys like Jekyll and stuffs has the soul of the guy who is the basis and inspiration of the tale.

Medea didn't exist.

[castor212]

Anyway, i always thought there is at least an elevated soul from somewhere that serves as the basis for a HS and then has legends piled on top of it, and voila, a HS.

Tldr that it was shown that its not like that / not necessarily like that for all hs, it makes me feel bad

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Medea didn't exist.

Im pretty sure i asked about this before in question thread and people said that this is still up in the air

Edit: found the quote that was kindly explaimed to me

yes it says it can go both ways but it's impossible to check.
the whole point of that is saying that AOG is mysterious full of mystery and you can't check therefore any theory is equally "correct" but at the end of the day they are only speculation.

[Mcjon01]

do we have those

Like, so far my interpretation is that even Kojiro has a soul of swordmaster farmer, and guys like Jekyll and stuffs has the soul of the guy who is the basis and inspiration of the tale.

It doesn't even matter if there's an example or not because Fate/stay night itself said that it doesn't matter if a hero actually existed or not, and that belief is all that's necessary. So that's how it is, even if you don't want to point fingers at anyone.

[jennajayfeather]

do we have those

Like, so far my interpretation is that even Kojiro has a soul of swordmaster farmer, and guys like Jekyll and stuffs has the soul of the guy who is the basis and inspiration of the tale.

Look at SF!JTR though. JTR actually existed but nobody knows who that was, resulting for the Berserker Heroic Spirit to be an "emblem of madness" than the soul from a single person.

[castor212]

It doesn't even matter if there's an example or not because Fate/stay night itself said that it doesn't matter if a hero actually existed or not, and that belief is all that's necessary. So that's how it is, even if you don't want to point fingers at anyone.

It said that...?

Um where

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Mfw how is servant real if our fanon not real

[Mcjon01]

In the prologue.

[castor212]

Ok.