Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Hawkeye]

Well don't some ranks of ME only give partial boost. I mean at C it doesn't up Luck or Mana and at D it only does Strength and Endurance. So at EX, I can only imagine the stat boost varies since the effect on personality is already different from the usual loss of reason.

[You]

i just chalked it up to ME EX Kiyo is unique, but maybe it doesnt matter

Asterios has E rank LUK with ME B
Darius has E rank MGI with ME B
Tamamo Cat has E rank CON with ME C.

Its a question worth considering but not something you should obsess over

[Milbunk]

Poor Darius would drain a Master even more than Lancelot.

[manafusion]

Asterios has E rank LUK with ME B
Darius has E rank MGI with ME B
Tamamo Cat has E rank CON with ME C.

Its a question worth considering but not something you should obsess over

What if the effect of ME varies from Servant to Servant? Some may get an all the listed parameters boosted, others may get skewed parameters boosted. IE: Given that Darius has never been a magecraft or ever casted magic, not getting a boost in his MGI is actually alright?

EDIT: Well, this is assuming that Darius can never use magic or has zero aptitude for magic in the first place. Like, if Asterios' LUK is essentially rock bottom no matter what, any boost to it is still going to be rock bottom. Well, I don't know of any Servant with stat values of E- so maybe a good example would make this theory break down? What I'm saying is that if the Servant has a value of 0, adding 1 onto 0 does not equal 2 (which is the requirement for the stat sheet to display the higher rank).

EDIT 2: Since stats ranks are essentially 'category placements', we can always assume that the value in the stat rank E can essentially be lower than expected. A stat rank of E can actually have a numerical value of 1~19 and not reach rank D.

[castor212]

ME has gone a long way, and i dont think im fine with it

[Obsidian Pharaoh]

The callousness with which you people treat RPG power-level data is frankly disgusting.

[You]

EDIT 2: Since stats ranks are essentially 'category placements', we can always assume that the value in the stat rank E can essentially be lower than expected. A stat rank of E can actually have a numerical value of 1~19 and not reach rank D.

yes this is true a rank is a "broad conceptual representation of a numerical value"
Person Z's A rank can be less than Person Y's A rank or mean different things.
E rank is is not 1~19 though. The E rank minimum is 10.
A rank up is also +10.

For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. In that case, E would be 10. And, every rank after that adds another 10, all the way up to A, which is 50.

All the ME descriptions say rank up. So it's +10.

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What if the effect of ME varies from Servant to Servant? Some may get an all the listed parameters boosted, others may get skewed parameters boosted. IE: Given that Darius has never been a magecraft or ever casted magic, not getting a boost in his MGI is actually alright?

EDIT: Well, this is assuming that Darius can never use magic or has zero aptitude for magic in the first place. Like, if Asterios' LUK is essentially rock bottom no matter what, any boost to it is still going to be rock bottom. Well, I don't know of any Servant with stat values of E- so maybe a good example would make this theory break down? What I'm saying is that if the Servant has a value of 0, adding 1 onto 0 does not equal 2 (which is the requirement for the stat sheet to display the higher rank).

B rank ME says that all parameters are ranked up. The skill descriptions describes the parameters that are boosted as well as how much they're boosted by "a rank."
The MGI stat is a measure of how much magical energy a Servant can handle. That's why some non-Caster servants can have very high MGIs.

[Clyton]

How do you explain those Casters with B/B++ ranked STR, those Sabers with E ranked STR, those Assassins with A ranked STR?

Skills and Lore.

[castor212]

I shouldnt think too harda about this until some canon explanation shows up, right

[mewarmo990]

The callousness with which you people treat RPG power-level data is frankly disgusting.

still not as bad as your never having read a single TM work

[Obsidian Pharaoh]

still not as bad as your never having read a single TM work

It was a joke, man. Chill.

[mewarmo990]

was also kinda joking, but yeah my bad.

[Obsidian Pharaoh]

I hate it when that happens. It's cool anyways.

[manafusion]

yes this is true a rank is a "broad conceptual representation of a numerical value"
Person Z's A rank can be less than Person Y's A rank or mean different things.
E rank is is not 1~19 though. The E rank minimum is 10.
A rank up is also +10.



All the ME descriptions say rank up. So it's +10.

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B rank ME says that all parameters are ranked up. The skill descriptions describes the parameters that are boosted as well as how much they're boosted by "a rank."
The MGI stat is a measure of how much magical energy a Servant can handle. That's why some non-Caster servants can have very high MGIs.

So, what? Servants can never have stat values below 10? Is that a thing? From the way I read it, it's just using numerical values to illustrate how the ranking system works. I mean, we also have numerical value illustration for Shirou and Rin yet Shirou can do things far beyond usual limits. Simply put, it's an 'easy to digest' method of understanding ranks without going deeper into how the value in the rank can vary. So, having a Servant at rank E then gets rank-boosted to E simply means that it still has the value of 10 added to a sub-10 value which does make them stronger but doesn't improve the general rank.

... That's how I logically equated it. I'm gonna stop here. Continuing on about individual understandings without game dev (Nasu) input to properly clarify things makes it a headache. Also, thanks for clarifying MGI stat. I completely forgot about what it does.

[Obsidian Pharaoh]

Back to the important topic of RPG stats...

considering we know now that ME isn't something that can be turned off

Where is this bit of info mentioned exactly?

[Laserman]

Who thought it could in the first place?

[Zurvan]

I think ilya mentioned or did something that let people get that idea, maybe anime only.
Tho iirc that particular action was enhancing Herk's ME, correct me if I'm wrong.

[mewarmo990]

I think it was FSN/Realta Nua that first suggested it.

Nothing's really changed. You just can't completely shut ME off, but you can feed it more power.

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Just a reminder to English readers that the actual skill name, 狂化, literally means "maddening." It's the skill description which tells you that it also boosts physical parameters.

The wrinkle here is that it's pronounced kyouka which is also how you pronounce 強化, "reinforcement/strengthening," and that is probably intentional.

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that's why "Mad Enhancement" caught on as an early translation, since it covers both aspects, even if it isn't a literal translation.

[You]

I mean, we also have numerical value illustration for Shirou and Rin yet Shirou can do things far beyond usual limits.

That's their potential as magi.
Not how strong or whatnot they are

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Where is this bit of info mentioned exactly?

when all references that seem to imply that ME can be turned off get retconned.
You start thinking maybe you can't turn it off.

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So, what? Servants can never have stat values below 10? Is that a thing? From the way I read it, it's just using numerical values to illustrate how the ranking system works. So, having a Servant at rank E then gets rank-boosted to E simply means that it still has the value of 10 added to a sub-10 value which does make them stronger but doesn't improve the general rank.

... That's how I logically equated it. I'm gonna stop here.

[Kareshy]

So, what? Servants can never have stat values below 10? Is that a thing? From the way I read it, it's just using numerical values to illustrate how the ranking system works. I mean, we also have numerical value illustration for Shirou and Rin yet Shirou can do things far beyond usual limits. Simply put, it's an 'easy to digest' method of understanding ranks without going deeper into how the value in the rank can vary. So, having a Servant at rank E then gets rank-boosted to E simply means that it still has the value of 10 added to a sub-10 value which does make them stronger but doesn't improve the general rank.... That's how I logically equated it. I'm gonna stop here. Continuing on about individual understandings without game dev (Nasu) input to properly clarify things makes it a headache. Also, thanks for clarifying MGI stat. I completely forgot about what it does.

I'd really hesitate to say "never" since Type-Moon but if I'm remembering right the scale that gave us A as 50 and E as 10 was an explanation of the general power tiers of Servants, and one of the things that was mentioned was that even the weakest of servants in a given field is above an average human. 1-10 are where most people would be.