Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[GundamFSN]

Incidentally, during the conversation where Holmes reveals Moriarty's identity, he mentions that he had Watson censor / not write about most of his dealings with Moriarty's plots, simply because he didn't want the man to obtain widespread notoriety or fame.

Funny how his ultimate crime plan came from somewhere else.

I smell conspiracy.

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I think it is more puzzling how Holmes claims he is weak but can cosplay into another servant and fight in the same style.

Cosplaying sure, but the latter is...

[RoydGolden]

Originally, Moriarty would've been summoned in the Caster class. However, by some means, he has merged himself with the Phantom of Der Freischutz, which results in him presently being within the Archer class. The purpose of the Barrel Tower is supposedly to serve as a guidance system, permitting that an asteroid be guided to impact with the Earth at a specific location by the power of Der Freischutz.

So his plan was guiding an asteroid to hit the earth after all! I was right!

... it still isn't explained as to how it's possible for Holmes to be rayshifting.

Detective's prerogative.

[Elish]

Planet Busting and busting the Nasuverse Earth are quite different is what I take away from this.

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So his plan was guiding an asteroid to hit the earth after all! I was right!



Detective's prerogative.

I mean.

[fallacies]

Planet Busting and busting the Nasuverse Earth are quite different is what I take away from this.

Holmes states as a comparison that the specific stretch of Goetia's plan that the protagonists foiled didn't even entail a final turnout whereby the planet itself is completely annihilated, and it already took roughly 3000 years to prepare for. Under normal circumstances, in the face of an active Counter Force, it would presumably take significantly more preparation than "3000 years of incinerating the Human Domain" to actually bypass the planet's existential protections.

The planet of the Shinjuku timeline has no such protections. This permits Moriarty to do as he pleases.

[GundamFSN]

If only Dartz is still here...

[Elish]

Holmes states as a comparison that the specific stretch of Goetia's plan that the protagonists foiled didn't even entail that the planet itself be destroyed, and it already took roughly 3000 years to prepare for. Under normal circumstances, in the face of an active Counter Force, it would presumably take significantly more preparation than "3000 years of incinerating the Human Domain" to actually bypass the planet's existential protections.

The planet of the Shinjuku timeline has no such protections.

Enkidus Enuma Elish is simply utilizing the 'planet' to guard against Anti-World Noble Phantasms, though.
What would've happened had he not used that to protect against Gils EA? Would the CF just take action so the planet could take the hit but take major damage as opposed to completely negating the attack like Enkidu did?

It's weird though, Goetias plan utilized more energy than what the planet itself would be capable of as that was the entire idea behind it. The protective measures seem to hit outside of it's own ballpark.

Well I got the rough implications of that then. Just busting a planet sized body of rock is a whole lot easier.

[fallacies]

It's weird though, Goetias plan utilized more energy than what the planet itself would be capable of as that was the entire idea behind it. The protective measures seem to hit outside of it's own ballpark.

The amount of energy consumed in protective measures might not be equivalent to the amount of energy required to overcome said measures. As an example, a "perfectly normal" planet-destroying threat restricted to a single set of timelines (as in, not like Goetia) could be dealt with simply by culling all of the timelines whereby the seeds are planted for such a threat to come into existence. Getting rid of said timelines doesn't expend any resources at all; in fact, within the multi-timeline context of the Tree of Time, the culling would grant a net gain of resources.

[Elish]

The amount of energy consumed in protective measures might not be equivalent to the amount of energy required to overcome said measures. As an example, a "perfectly normal" planet-destroying threat restricted to a single set of timelines (as in, not like Goetia) could be dealt with simply by culling all of the timelines whereby the seeds are planted for such a threat to come into existence. Getting rid of said timelines doesn't expend any resources at all; in fact, within the multi-timeline context of the Tree of Time, the culling would grant a net gain of resources.

Hm I see. We might not have anything definitive on this as of right now, but that seems to make sense.

Thanks.

[Mcjon01]

If you make a fun tale of your own fine. But if it is regarding a work of other language, and said person can't be arsed to learn the language, and instead of waiting/paying for a translation, make stuff up, and proceed to get mad when their unsubstantiated speculation turns out to be wrong, then it is a headache.

No, see, you said thongs instead of things
And a whale tail is when your thong rides up out of your jeans, since it looks like a whale's tail sticking out of the ocean
Explaining the joke

[rxrx]

No, see, you said thongs instead of things
And a whale tail is when your thong rides up out of your jeans, since it looks like a whale's tail sticking out of the ocean
Explaining the joke

Typo, and sorry to have you explain the joke.

[Mcjon01]

So his plan was guiding an asteroid to hit the earth after all! I was right!



Detective's prerogative.

Nobody said that wasn't his plan
You were asking about his Noble Phantasm though
Think of his NP as calculating where to put the demolition charges to blow up the planet, but you can't do that with guns and bombs so obviously blowing up the planet is impossible and you get his anti-army NP in the game
But then what if you stole someone's powers and rigged up a system to make a big space rock hit the earth in juuust the right spot?


Or something, I haven't actually played past the first battle yet so I dunno.

[You]

So, what exactly is Phantom doing in Shinjuku? Is he making the dolls?

And does he actually get some characterization?

yes
and we find out his name is actually Erik
i hope whoever cared about that is vindicated

[Zork Knight]

yes
and we find out his name is actually Erik
i hope whoever cared about that is vindicated

Finally, my heart is at peace once again.

[Altaris]

Enkidus Enuma Elish is simply utilizing the 'planet' to guard against Anti-World Noble Phantasms, though.
What would've happened had he not used that to protect against Gils EA? Would the CF just take action so the planet could take the hit but take major damage as opposed to completely negating the attack like Enkidu did?

It's weird though, Goetias plan utilized more energy than what the planet itself would be capable of as that was the entire idea behind it. The protective measures seem to hit outside of it's own ballpark.

Well I got the rough implications of that then. Just busting a planet sized body of rock is a whole lot easier.

I don't think Gil's Ea would have destroyed Earth anyway even if Enkidu didn't block it

[Lily Emilio]

Holmes states as a comparison that the specific stretch of Goetia's plan that the protagonists foiled didn't even entail a final turnout whereby the planet itself is completely annihilated, and it already took roughly 3000 years to prepare for. Under normal circumstances, in the face of an active Counter Force, it would presumably take significantly more preparation than "3000 years of incinerating the Human Domain" to actually bypass the planet's existential protections.

The planet of the Shinjuku timeline has no such protections. This permits Moriarty to do as he pleases.

That and what Da Vinci said before actually are 2 different things if you think about it.

Statement 1: Even if you release full power of a top servant's NP, still won't make it and even anti-planet NP won't be enough.
Statement 2: Many protections also prevent the planet from being destroyed in the first place.

The first one is more about not having enough firepower to actually do it as a servant.
The second one is more about "ok you got enough firepower? not gonna do it son CF and other restrictions will stop you."

[hinode]

I don't think Gil's Ea would have destroyed Earth anyway even if Enkidu didn't block it

Tell that to all the salty-ass people in Mizu's thread on reddit.

[JetKinen]

So assuming Gudao and Co didn't Reyshift into that singularity and Moriarty's plan succeeded.

At the end of the day, Moriarty would blow up that earth, but nothing would actually happen with the real earth.

Is this it? Sorry if i misunderstood

[Lily Emilio]

Tell that to all the salty-ass people in Mizu's thread on reddit.

I regret making that thread so much lol.

[asterism42]

yes
and we find out his name is actually Erik
i hope whoever cared about that is vindicated

Was that supposed to be a big reveal? I mean, it's his name in the book. Even if he'd been a genderswap he'd prolly just be called Erica.

Or even still Erik, if Gareth is any indication.

[Elish]

I don't think Gil's Ea would have destroyed Earth anyway even if Enkidu didn't block it

Well now that we know this, sure.

A random earth sized planet without any defensive measures? Gone, as far as I'm concerned.

I rather not open that can of worms though