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    Yeah she keeps rearing an endless amount of demon pillars in there.

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    wait, so the coffin receives power from Serpahix, to sumon servant with that power to consume that servant to absorb it as power???
    that seems redundant in terms of efficiency

    i think im missing something here

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    or maybe the energy generated by Circuit to summon servants are more than the energy empowering the circuit, so you got a surplus of energy this way?
    yeah maybe that
    the power supply powers the coffins,
    the living circuits inside summon the Servants.
    Remember
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    Even if you know it's a miracle that you cannot reproduce, anyone can attempt it.
    A magus is only a source of power.
    Even with a small engine, you can go over the speed limit if you keep pressing on the gas. But all that lies ahead is destruction."
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    "It's just like that. Magi can easily go over the limit if they're prepared for self-destruction.
    Burning up the Magic Circuit, and ruining the nerves, but if you keep on turning the magical energy, you'll reach the miracle."
    But they're dead so that doesn't really matter as long as they keep the circuit intact.
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    so the energy generated to summon servants by the Circuit is more than the energy necessary to empower the coffin, and so it is a surplus of power right?

    also, was time travel by means of coordinate a new concept here, or was it already a thing back in ccc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    also, was time travel by means of coordinate a new concept here, or was it already a thing back in ccc?
    this is different because it's under the sea and the sea is being digitized as the SERAPH is falling.
    Basically, it's how time and space are the same thing. I believe the concept is called Spacetime. Therefore if you move in space, you will move in time.
    The SERAPH moves down, therefore, moving down means moving forward in time. Moving up is moving back in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    This?



    Keep in mind, I'm not proficient to read it well enough. Just curious if it references the things that Flauros and Barbatos are as what's in Kiara.
    it does said

    "Within her body she breeds almost infinite demon pillars."

    but only that, i think

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    this is different because it's under the sea and the sea is being digitized as the SERAPH is falling.
    Basically, it's how time and space are the same thing. I believe the concept is called Spacetime. Therefore if you move in space, you will move in time.
    The SERAPH moves down, therefore, moving down means moving forward in time. Moving up is moving back in time.
    ok i think i got it
    so its a newly introduced thing and not a referrence to previous works right
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    so its a newly introduced thing and not a referrence to previous works right
    I wouldn't say it's newly introduced. There's really nothing "new" about this. And it only really pertains to this situation.
    It's just pop-scifi as mcjon would said.
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    no, i mean, is it the first time Nasu uses the Spacetime in his works, or did he already use it in CCC or whereever before?
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    it's not really a proper noun though.
    It's just pop-scifi
    but sure it's new in the same way you would say the first time he used Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle was in Extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    no, i mean, is it the first time Nasu uses the Spacetime in his works, or did he already use it in CCC or whereever before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    it's not really a proper noun though.
    It's just pop-scifi
    but sure it's new in the same way you would say the first time he used Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle was in Extra.
    ok, thats all im asking. whether or not theis is the first time nasu use the concept cuz i cant read ccc

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    is that referring to the same thing tho
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    Is spacetime spacetime? What kind of question is that? Are you writing a physics thesis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Is spacetime spacetime? What kind of question is that? Are you writing a physics thesis?
    but thats not the question

    the question is is the space time in Ea refers to time travel

    because here space time is used as time travel shenanigans, while ea seems to be saying its just dislocating/destroying it

    i was asking whether or not its the first time spacetime as a time travel used in nasuverse, and it seems to be the case
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    Part 3

    Tamamo Cat
    Calm down, calm down, you’ll any chance at marrying young like that. BB seems to be about to discuss the method to do that now, see?
    I am guessing a word is missing in the middle there


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    Melt travels back in time by breaking the speed of light, which is theoretically a thing you can actually do. Not hard to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    i was asking whether or not its the first time spacetime as a time travel used in nasuverse, and it seems to be the case
    Tamamo mentioned in CCC that time travel is very simple, just reduce the distance from X to zero. And that's exactly what we did in the collab, went back in time by moving up. In her servant ending, it took 1000 years for Tamamo to regain 9 tails so after she got it, she went FTL to return back to the past right at the moment Hakuno getting deleted by the Moon Cell to stop it.

    I mean, it's CCC collab so you should expect to see some CCC references being used.

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    so that one is coordinat based too?

    ok so its just another ccc reference, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    so that one is coordinat based too?
    Does the term "time axis" ring any bell to you? It's all about coordinates. If you go forward from point A to point B in the time axis, then your "past" is point A and your "present" is point B. So if you want to go back in time, you simply have to move back to point A, which also means you "reduce the distance of these 2 points to zero" like Tamamo put it. And you can do that by moving FTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDreamer View Post
    CCC Collab —The End—

    Choice:
    1- Meltlilith…!
    2- Then Lip too?

    Passionlip
    Yes, I was safely transported here too. I managed to contribute a little this time!
    This dialogue tree actually doesn't have Passionlip replying to you if you choose to address Melt.

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    I know because I was curious about Passionlip and read both options.

    Hm. Here's Melt's reply for the first option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Lock View Post
    This dialogue tree actually doesn't have Passionlip replying to you if you choose to address Melt.

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    I know because I was curious about Passionlip and read both options.

    Hm. Here's Melt's reply for the first option.

    Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot to include it. I'll add it in right away.
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    Thanks for the translations.

    No discount for the protagonist. I bet we'll pay even more since BB - chan's life is at risk and it has no discount.

    Money in the middle of a world crisis.

    Reminds me of the time that the fate of the world depends on what you roll in the gacha.

    Oh wait...

    Poor Zepar though.

    Just goes to show this quote is pretty much real even today.

    "We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us."
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    All right, here's the translation for part 1 of Finale: The Palladion That Cuts Through Time. (And yes, it is a reference to that movie name.) Included is an explanation on the A and B versions of this quest.

    CCC Collab Finale: The Palladion That Cuts Through Time (1/2)
    Finale: The Palladion That Cuts Through Time (1/2)

    (Note: This scene has two versions, A and B. The A version occurs when you don’t buy any KP and fight the regular True Demon version of Kiara, while the B version is when you do buy KP and fight the true Beast III/R Heaven’s Hole version of her. However, the A and B versions start the same and only differ after a certain point.)

    Sesshouin Kiara
    The birds that flew away have come back—There aren’t many things as pleasant as this.

    This must be what they mean by the phrase “jumping into the fire”. Or were you unable to forget about me?

    Yes, in that case, I’ll play with you as many times as you want.

    Until your hearts break. Until your zeal withers away. Again and again.

    But please be careful. Despite how I might look, I’m quite excited right now—

    I might accidentally unleash my full power and crush you all without leaving a trace behind, you know?

    Meltlilith
    You’re a woman who likes a long preface, as usual. What, has idle chatting become all you’re good for as you get on with the years?

    Sesshouin Kiara
    —Meltlilith.

    The reason why you’re cooperating with Gudao-san is the one thing I still don’t understand, but—

    That unpleasant attitude of yours ends here. I’m going to be especially thorough when I destroy you.

    I know, how about I first break your hands once I capture you?

    You’re a doll whose only worth is your legs. You have no need of such shoddy hands, right?

    Meltlilith
    Yeah, go ahead and do so.

    “It wouldn’t have turned out like this if I had crushed her legs first. I should have left her hands for last.”

    Seeing your vexed face as you regret your actions will finally calm my anger.

    Sesshouin Kiara
    …? What are you…?

    (Gudao approaches Kiara)

    Sesshouin Kiara
    Oh my, stepping forward by your own will. Were you trying to protect Meltlilith?

    Or do you wish to talk to me? If you wish to convert to my sect, I’m willing to accept you even now.

    Choice:
    1- I decline any older women!
    2- …Why did you become a Beast?

    Sesshouin Kiara [1]
    Wha…! Of all the things you could say, you state something so groundless!?

    Assuming that I’m older is a prejudicial view based only on outward appearances!

    There exist teens who look like they’re in their twenties, aren’t there!? I firmly assert that the reverse exists as well!

    Passionlip [1]
    Ah, I know what you mean! There are people in their teens who look like they’re in their thirties!

    Sesshouin Kiara [1]
    Could the baby-face there please be quiet!? There’s no way you could understand my feelings as someone who’s always been viewed as older than my peers since elementary school!

    Meltlilith [1]
    …Shall we get back on topic? I’ve been wondering why you became a Beast.

    Sesshouin Kiara [1]
    Eh…Oh my. Why did I become a Beast, you ask—?

    Sesshouin Kiara [2]
    …What, you won’t play along with me…?

    But…Fufu. Why did I become a Beast, you ask—?

    Sesshouin Kiara
    —It’s because I was jealous.

    After all, it’s so unfair. Is there anything as, as—

    As wonderful as that spectacle? The memory Zepar-sama had—

    That battle at the Time Temple was like a dream to me.

    Zepar-sama. Goetia. No, everything and everyone that was there seemed so—

    So pleasant and euphoric. At some point, I ended up wishing thus.

    I want to be tormented like that too. I want to be killed by Heroic Spirits as numerous as the stars in the night sky—

    But I could never have that wish granted as a mere human or Demon God.

    So I thought, there’s no choice but to become a Beast myself.

    Choice:
    1- ——
    2- For such—for such a reason!?

    Meltlilith
    I sympathize with your speechlessness. But this is Sesshouin Kiara.

    She’s terrifying because she became a Beast for such a reason.

    She wasted all her potential, which should have allowed her to even become a saviour, on only her own self-love.

    Her overflowing compassion, soothing words and beautiful-seeming devotion were used only for the sake of herself.

    The people around her simply misunderstood her because those qualities made her look like a holy mother.

    Isn’t that right, Kiara? You said that you love humans. That you want to save them.

    But—

    In your world, the only human is you.

    That’s why you love humans more than anyone else. You use all other lives for the sake of that love.

    After all, all other humans are merely tools in human form in your eyes!

    Sesshouin Kiara
    ——

    Passionlip
    That’s right! You’re an incarnation of self-love much more repulsive than we Alter Egos who were born from emotions!

    A monster that loves humanity out of self-interest more than anyone else in this world! That is your true nature, Beast III!

    Sesshouin Kiara
    True, but what of it?

    The only human in this world is me. All humans besides myself are mere animals.

    I was raised that way. I was born in that kind of world.

    Only a very few individuals ever deemed me as evil. But even those select few—

    (Brief look at the hand of EMIYA Alter’s corpse)

    Sesshouin Kiara
    —were treated as deviant criminals by human society, like that man.

    People condemn the few who strived to eliminate evils like me, because they deemed those individuals as disadvantageous to the rest of them—

    And you say such selfish animals are human? In that case, the many nameless heroes out there will never be rewarded.

    (Brief look of the seemingly dead EMIYA Alter’s hand clenching in anger at Kiara’s words)

    Sesshouin Kiara
    It’s fine if the only human is me, and I alone am human. If not, this world truly would be beyond salvation.

    —Has that answered your question? The whispered sweet-nothings end here. Let’s continue where we left off before.

    I want to use the pleasure of many more people as stepping stones. I want to become the receptacle of many more people’s pleasure.

    How do I do that? The answer is simple. I just have to become people’s object of faith.

    My body is now the Heaven of Pleasure, the Heavenly Paradise that entraps all within its jaws. I shall devour all lives as if stuffing my cheeks with fruit.

    Now then, the appointed day of salvation has arrived, everyone. —Let all be liberated and reach Nirvana.

    (Note: The A version ends here, while the B version continues on to show the effect of buying the KP.)

    (B version: Kiara is engulfed in light and then the screen briefly fades to dark, before finally revealing her in her final Beast III/R form with Demon God Pillar aspects included in her appearance.)

    Sesshouin Kiara
    What was that just now…!? My Gounkokujou (Five Skandhas Black Cord) has been negated…!?

    BB
    That’s right—! Your pretensions of being a bodhisattva end here, Beast III!

    Sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch.

    You tempt all of a person’s five senses, and if they are beguiled by even one of your charms, you immediately turn them into one of your blind believers—

    It’s truly a cheat skill worthy of the title of demonic bodhisattva. But it won’t work for the next five minutes!

    This is the secret weapon I designed from Melt’s report and made using gathered KP—Kiara Punishers!

    Its name is the Anti R-18 Field, “Wisdom Hold Intelligence Powered”—

    Melt-chan’s Death Whip for short! It’s the whip of love born from the poor and lacking…that are as flat and lifeless as a dead wasteland! (Note: A certain word is omitted here in the short pause, but I think we ALL know what’s implied)

    For just the next five minutes, an Absolute Abstinence rule has been imposed across SE.RA.PH! All Eros power has plummeted and hit rock bottom!

    Meltlilith
    As expected of BB! But I’ll be questioning you about that name later!

    Sesshouin Kiara
    …What boorish people you are, to deny such rare and precious pleasure.

    But…Fufu. I suppose I was just getting bored of acting from a god’s point of view.

    The Gounkokujou was merely foreplay. I shall show you all the true nature of a Beast.

    Now come, cute little Master-san. I shall break your conceit head-on.

    What you’re about to witness is a being from the sea of pleasure.

    One who engulfed a Demon God even while being possessed by it,

    a great calamity that turned herself into a singularity and is about to finish metamorphosing into a Beast.

    Beast III Rapture. The Heaven of Pleasure that freely commands joy and delight shall bestow the pleasure of the end upon you.

    (Battle against Heaven’s Hole)
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