Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[castor212]

you: oh shit I wonder what's the fake body is made of, maybe spiritrons.

but thats not what i mean at all

well obviously i dont mean spiritron as it is. since spiritron can be converted back adn forth to physical properties as proven by rayshifting technology. i mean spiritron as the raw mataerial.
i feel like its not that far of a guess for it to have pseudo-spiritron as raw material, then materiaalize physically.

i already explained that what i mean is
you: "oh shit I wonder if the fake body use spiritron at first, then it went physical, so just like rayshifting its now flesh and blood"

i got defensive because you were missing my point.

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its a bad habit of mine, yes, but you completely missing my point didnt help at all.
you think i think the body is still made out of spiritron. I dont. I think the body use spiritron as material then materialize as physical body properly.

as explained in my previous reply that you quote but seemingly didnt read.

[Lily Emilio]

but thats not what i mean at all

i already explained that what i mean is
you: "oh shit I wonder if the fake body use spiritron at first, then it went physical, so just like rayshifting its now flesh and blood"

i got defensive because you were missing my point.

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its a bad habit of mine, yes, but you completely missing my point didnt help at all.
you think i think the body is still made out of spiritron. I dont. I think the body use spiritron as material then materialize as physical body properly.

as explained in my previous reply that you quote but seemingly didnt read.

No lol my point is "you wondering about it being spiritrons or not is pointless because what we have as the end result is a flesh and blood body".

if it is made of spiritrons then it's flesh and blood now.
if it is made of flesh and blood then it's still flesh and blood now.
if it is made by ashiya magic to troll MC then it's flesh and blood now.

[castor212]

hmm, then probably you should have said so in the beginning instead of disagreeing with me while also completely missing my point

you going from "i doubt thats the case" into "its pointless to wonder about that" doesnt help at all.

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i mean

what i did is simply wondering the mechanism that produce a certain result in nasuverse
you could say its pointless, but thats exactly what everybody in this forum did back in the time where we didnt know what constitute a servant body and before prototype said its ether

[Lily Emilio]

I disagreed because you used spiritrons and virtual (pseudo) spiritrons like they are the same thing, which is not the case. Virtual spiritrons was created base on the virtual spiritron theory and used photons as the basis. Only after you changed it to just spiritrons then I agreed and said it is pointless. And me calling it pointless is an opinion on your speculations, I have nothing against you lol.

[castor212]

well im just saying, youre still disagreeing with me even after i explained what i meant originally sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i have nothing against you but ignoring exactly what you quoted kinda made me defensive lol so yeah

[Trubo]

Alter-ego perhaps? I think Moon Cancer will be BB's specific class, just like how Shielder is for Mashu.

Isn't she considered Moon Cancer in Extella after a certain point?

[Laserman]

Isn't she considered Moon Cancer in Extella after a certain point?

No.

[You]

well im just saying, youre still disagreeing with me even after i explained what i meant originally sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i have nothing against you but ignoring exactly what you quoted kinda made me defensive lol so yeah

The definition of Reishift is

擬似霊子転移。疑似霊子変換投射。人間を擬似霊子化（魂のデータ化）させて異なる時間軸、異なる位相送り込 み、これを証明する空間航法。タイムトラベルと並行世界のミックス。

from vol 1 of melty nightmare

so we know that reishifting can convert humans not just the soul into pseudo spiritrons send them back in time, and then because the entire human was sent back in time, not just the soul, become a human again. Failure to do this is the meaning loss thing.
However in EOR3 only your consciousness gets sent back.
Which is actually what happened with Olga too.

So then the question is like castor said; how do you get a physical body?
Because olga definitely had a body in fuyuki and if you just convert the pseudo-spiritrons into back into what they originally were, you'd just end up with a consciousness.
The explanation of "pseudo-spiritrons are made physical" doesn't make much sense, because when you reishift, your body goes with you as well. There's no need to make the pseudo-spiritrons physical.
Yet a consciousness became physical multiple times.
And converting something metaphysical into something physical is part of the Third.

[Lily Emilio]

well im just saying, youre still disagreeing with me even after i explained what i meant originally sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i have nothing against you but ignoring exactly what you quoted kinda made me defensive lol so yeah

Pretty sure I didn't ignore any of those. I disagreed with the use of the terms so I quoted the entire thing lol

[Trubo]

So do her Velber-fied forms have a Class?

[Laserman]

So do her Velber-fied forms have a Class?

Lancer.

[Trubo]

Ah, then I wonder where the Moon Cancer stuff came from. Probably just people hoping for another Moon Cancer Servant, as BB is not likely to ever appear again since we have yet to get a collab rerun.

[Lily Emilio]

Yet a consciousness became physical multiple times.

Yea it kinda bothers me which is why I mentioned the weird case with Amaterasu in CCC from time to time to see if that has any similarities with what we experienced in FGO. Hakuno's consciousness materialized in her temple in the past while his digital body in the future turned transparent. And it's also a dream-like sequence.

[NekoArcDragonhound]

Please let this Halloween event actually be scary. I know FGO can do scary, gore, and horror! Don't let this event culminate into "LOL, you just got Punked!" at the end with Liz and some other weirdos, I'm looking at y'all Tamamo(s) and your internet pals!

[castor212]

Pretty sure I didn't ignore any of those. I disagreed with the use of the terms so I quoted the entire thing lol

i said "hey i think the pseudo spiritron got physicalized" as an explanation to "pseudo spiritron as raw material"
and then you quote my "hey i think the pseudo spiritron got physicalized" but then berating me as missing the point of "pseudo spiritron is light you cant see light silly" even if i just said exactly the explanation of that

It sure sounds like youre ignoring my point, regardless of intention lol

[Lily Emilio]

It sure sounds like youre ignoring my point, regardless of intention lol

Yep you got my intention wrong lol.

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Ah, then I wonder where the Moon Cancer stuff came from. Probably just people hoping for another Moon Cancer Servant, as BB is not likely to ever appear again since we have yet to get a collab rerun.

Well we still have the 3 other Sakura Five members. Can change from Alter Ego if Nasu wants to.

[castor212]

The explanation of "pseudo-spiritrons are made physical" doesn't make much sense

why not tho

i mean my line of thought is that the soul in the astral plane usually project itself to guda's body, but then dream shenanigans happened, and the soul then projected itself to shimousa as pseudo spiritron and then physicalize as physical body. so i think it is part of Third, but in a similar manner of moondiving in regard of output.

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Yep you got my intention wrong lol.

well next time you should probably quote only what you want to pointout instead of the whole thing, i guess

[NekoArcDragonhound]

KazuraDrop really doesn't seem like SR+ material. I honestly think she just may be a 3* or even below since she got the whole Andersen vibe to her. Violet is likely SR+, but I'm unsure about KingProtea.

[Magikewl]

Please let this Halloween event actually be scary. I know FGO can do scary, gore, and horror! Don't let this event culminate into "LOL, you just got Punked!" at the end with Liz and some other weirdos, I'm looking at y'all Tamamo(s) and your internet pals!

??? The only thing scary about FGO is the gacha

[You]

why not tho

i mean my line of thought is that the soul in the astral plane usually project itself to guda's body, but then dream shenanigans happened, and the soul then projected itself to shimousa as pseudo spiritron and then physicalize as physical body. so i think it is part of Third, but in a similar manner of moondiving in regard of output.

well if it's the actual soul being projected then it wouldn't be pseudo-spiritrons but actual spiritrons.
And then Gudao would literally be an Arc or Lugh.