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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Blood Master View Post
    Confirmed as in "Yo, I'm Lucius Artorius Castus, totally not Bedivere" or actually confirmed?

    If the second, I'm dying to know how one of many Greek myths about girls turning into men by godly mojo ended up as a Divine Spirit. Must have been one hell of a lostbelt.
    Lobo's speculation here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Blood Master View Post
    Confirmed as in "Yo, I'm Lucius Artorius Castus, totally not Bedivere" or actually confirmed?

    If the second, I'm dying to know how one of many Greek myths about girls turning into men by godly mojo ended up as a Divine Spirit. Must have been one hell of a lostbelt.
    There's a story that Caeneus had once fought with Apollo and was so full of himself that he ordered those who approached him to swear by his spear, the act of which apparently spawned a proverb. Another story tells how he planted his spear in the middle of a market place to be worshipped and called on the gods to count him as one of them.

    Not sure of the validity of the above stories, but here's a link: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id...0spear&f=false

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Blood Master View Post
    Confirmed as in "Yo, I'm Lucius Artorius Castus, totally not Bedivere" or actually confirmed?

    If the second, I'm dying to know how one of many Greek myths about girls turning into men by godly mojo ended up as a Divine Spirit. Must have been one hell of a lostbelt.
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    Lobo's speculation here.

    My speculation that I post at the time (This one is most throughout)
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    I remember something that may add to the datamine theory on Lancer's identity. This is from the book "The Greek Myths" by Robert Graves
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    CAENIS AND CAENEUS
    POSEIDON once lay with the Nymph Caenis, daughter of Elatus the Magnesian or, some say, of Coronus the Lapith, and asked her to name a love-gift. ‘Transform me’, she said, ‘into an invulnerable fighter. I am weary of being a woman.’ Poseidon obligingly changed her sex, and she became Caeneus, waging war with such success that the Lapiths soon elected her their king; and she even begot a son, Coronus, whom Heracles killed many years later while fighting for Aegimius the Dorian. Exalted by this new condition, Caeneus set up a spear in the middle of the market-place, where the people congregated, and made them sacrifice to it as if to a god, and honour no other deity whatsoever.
    b. Zeus, hearing of Caeneus’s presumption, instigated the Centaurs to an act of murder. During the wedding of Peirithous they made a sudden attack on her, but she had no difficulty in killing five or six of them, without incurring the slightest wound, because their weapons rebounded harmlessly from her charmed skin. However, the remaining Centaurs beat her on the head with fir logs, until they had driven her under the earth, and then piled a mound of logs above. So Caeneus smothered and died. Presently out flew a sandy-winged bird, which the seer Mopsus, who was present, recognized as her soul; and when they came to bury her, the corpse was again a woman’s.


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    1. This myth has three distinct strands. First, a custom which still prevails in Albania, of girls joining a war-band and dressing in men’s clothes, so that when they are killed in battle the enemy is surprised to discover their sex. Second, a refusal of the Lapiths to accept Hellenic overlordship; the spear set up for worship is likely to have been a may-pole in honour of the New Moon-goddess Caenis, or Elate (‘fir-tree’), to whom the fir was sacred. The Lapiths were then defeated by the Aeolians of Iolcus who, with the help of their allies the Centaurs, subjected them to their god Poseidon, but did not interfere with tribal law. Only, as at Argos, the clan chieftainess will have been obliged to assume an artificial beard to assert her right to act as magistrate and commander: thus Caenis became Caeneus, and Elate became Elatus. A similar change of sex is still announced by the Queen of the South, a joint ruler of the Lozi Kingdom in the Zambesi basin, when she enters the council chamber: ‘I am transformed to a man!’ —but this is because one of her ancestresses usurped a patriarchal throne. Third, the ritual recorded on a black-figured oil jar, in which naked men, armed with mallets, beat an effigy of Mother Earth on head, apparently to release Core, the Spirit of the New Year; ‘Caenis” means ‘new’.
    2. The variety of sandy-winged bird released from the effigy depends on the season at which the rite was performed. If spring, it may have been a cuckoo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    My speculation that I post at the time (This one is most throughout)
    Thank you all for the quick replies, I was tired of not getting why everyone was so sure of Lancer being Caeneus, but now I know the reason: how not to with this magnificent piece of careful speculation! Man, I wish my theories looked like this. I love when obscure myths are mingled with their historical background to create an explanation for a particular story element of character, and the very nature of Lostbelts is a really fertile ground for this.
    Lobo, you surely put a lot of effort on this, and turns out you were right! You must be feeling ecstatic right now at least I would So congratulations!!!
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    Also, this current derail has pretty much nothing to do with Strange Fake.
    Sure, that's what you think now, but just wait until the big climax of Volume 22 where ORT wakes up and Arcueid shows up to drop the moon on it which cracks open and all the Alter Egos pour out to be the bad guys in the next arc.
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    Well the main reason why everyone was so sure was because of the datamine, from connecting two and two between a Servant drawn by Azuza and a Servant just revealed being drawn by the same artist.
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Thanks Half-Blood, but tbh I'm most proud that I guess Salieri and Old Charles Ruler right more lol (I probably used all my guessing luck there though)

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    Oh, yeah, the leaked list... Tbh I never gave it the thorough read it deserves so it makes sense I missed something as obvious as that.

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    You can console yourself with the thought that your guesses will always be true in at least one facet of the Kaleidoscope
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMegas
    Also, this current derail has pretty much nothing to do with Strange Fake.
    Sure, that's what you think now, but just wait until the big climax of Volume 22 where ORT wakes up and Arcueid shows up to drop the moon on it which cracks open and all the Alter Egos pour out to be the bad guys in the next arc.
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    Alaya wants YOU for the Restoration of the Human Order

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Blood Master View Post
    Confirmed as in "Yo, I'm Lucius Artorius Castus, totally not Bedivere" or actually confirmed?

    If the second, I'm dying to know how one of many Greek myths about girls turning into men by godly mojo ended up as a Divine Spirit. Must have been one hell of a lostbelt.
    Confirmed as seriously as possible since it's Kirshtaria calling her that and telling Ophelia about her.
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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Beryl is cute and i will be so sad when i have to rip out his heart or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikewl View Post
    Beryl is cute and i will be so sad when i have to rip out his heart or something
    Isn't that part of the fun, tho?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMegas
    Also, this current derail has pretty much nothing to do with Strange Fake.
    Sure, that's what you think now, but just wait until the big climax of Volume 22 where ORT wakes up and Arcueid shows up to drop the moon on it which cracks open and all the Alter Egos pour out to be the bad guys in the next arc.
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    Alaya wants YOU for the Restoration of the Human Order

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    So the grails in Singularities are Art Graphs made by Goetia, what about the new ones? I haven't read this chapter yet and only saw bits here and there half way on youtube streams, so idk if they explained what the grails we have to collect this time are in the chapter or not. Might just read the chapter myself once I have the time tmr.
    I can't read Japanese so I'm not sure if anything was clarified this chapter, but based on the prologue I think there aren't any singularities and we're actually just time traveling the normal way. Which begs the question as to how we can actually undo the changes on history, or how they were even caused. There aren't necessarily grails though, at this point those are just given as rewards even when they aren't involved in the story (or at least aren't acquired in it).

    Although on that note, I'm not expecting full translations for a while, but does anyone have a general gist for what happened and what was revealed? The spoiler lockdown on reddit has made it a little harder to figure out.

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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    I can't read Japanese so I'm not sure if anything was clarified this chapter, but based on the prologue I think there aren't any singularities and we're actually just time traveling the normal way. Which begs the question as to how we can actually undo the changes on history, or how they were even caused. There aren't necessarily grails though, at this point those are just given as rewards even when they aren't involved in the story (or at least aren't acquired in it).

    Although on that note, I'm not expecting full translations for a while, but does anyone have a general gist for what happened and what was revealed? The spoiler lockdown on reddit has made it a little harder to figure out.
    We're not time travelling using Shadow Border,all we did was just hiding out in the Imaginary Number Space for 3 months until we resurfaced in the Russia Lostbelt.

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    Spoiler:
    and it's actually 2018 in Russia
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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    and it's actually 2018 in Russia
    Well that explains the AD 1570? in the Lostbelt date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
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    and it's actually 2018 in Russia
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    Yeah, the year listed for the lostbelt is the year during which the split from correct history happened, hence the question mark


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    In other news, I really don't like Koya. I've only read the first two chapters still, because I've been busy, but it's like every time she appears all she amounts to is "look how evil I am for no other reason than I like it". Such a boring character, really. Hope she goes through some major changes later on tbh.
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    that's koya-sama to you
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    On You's tombstone it will read
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savepoints View Post
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    Yeah, the year listed for the lostbelt is the year during which the split from correct history happened, hence the question mark
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    So how are we undoing the 450ish years of alternate history then? pulling a grail out of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magikewl View Post
    Beryl is cute and i will be so sad when i have to rip out his heart or something
    same tbh

    kadoc is better tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marros View Post
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    So how are we undoing the 450ish years of alternate history then? pulling a grail out of it?
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    During the first node they talk about how the growth of the "fantasy tree" and the stability of the lostbelt are effectively synonymous, and later on you actually fight the tree so I assume you fell the tree to fell the lostbelt.
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    your ability to be wrong about literally everything you post is truly astounding. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but you haven't been right once.
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