Don't forget that it nullifies Luck stats. It removes the most effective defence that one can achieve: plot armor.Originally Posted by Rafflesiac
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I like this. Just add some chains trailing behind his chariot, and we'll be golden.
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Yes, that's where this discussion was headed- how Achilles didn't already have too many NP and we need to give him more/upgrade some of the 30 he already has.
Immortal super soldier guy who was basically coddled by his mother in the class known for having many and powerful Noble Phantasms.
Reminder that the other Rider in Apo has no less than four Noble Phantasms, two of which allow him to face off with Karna and Semiramis on equal footing (albeit briefly).
My problem is that I just don't like a few of his phantasms, as necessary as they may be.
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Rider Achilles' chariot and shield, specifically.
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He has too many to have without some restrictions on their use.
Also, like half of them just don't fit with the idea of the Rider Class, which is all about relying on NP to make up for inferior direct combat ability- but three of Achilles are all about direct combat; Fite Me IRL, Sanic Speed, and lol!invincibility.
Also also, the "he's so famous he gets extra NP" handwave is bollocks because
1) other heroes with similar global fame don't benefit
2) this still isn't all his NP. He has even more that were locked out due to his class.
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I wouldn't have said a mini-desert created and sustained by an army is a particularly Ridery ability either. Or a spell book, or a magic horn, or a temple city, or a crystal palace, or a date rape drug, or an army of faceless minions, or a sun stone...
etc etc
All of which are examples of using NP to make up for inferior direct combat abilities, which is exactly what the Rider class is all about?
Actualy this one always made sense to me because the first rider always made me horn-y
And the Berserker class is meant to boost up weaker Servants with Mad Enhancement. And yet Hercules.
Quertz doesn't have inferior combat ability. Quite the contrary that's one of her main things.
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So you like traps then Toby?
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Einzbern are filthy cheats. But Note how Herk didn't get his bow or any of his other NP when summoned as Berserker, whereas Achilles got to keep all his shit because reasons
Because Rider is the class that has multiple Noble Phantasms, while Berserker is the class that seals away some stuff because crazy.
Hell yes.
So you like traps then Toby?
....naoto shirogane is best girl
The solution obviously here is to summon berserker Achilles, duh.
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Ozymandias tho
Rider Herk and all his 9 NP's when
its fine because he's supes famous
Herk actually has a 12-in-one NP, you know
Which is unusable as a Berserker, and dependent on the weapon he's wielding, but I don't see why that currently matters
It's a technique, and tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if a *technique* alone isn't enough to count as a NP
but Herk does have that blurb about it being the strongest if used by his bow and arrows
Not, not Nine Lives. He actually has 12 different NPs in one in Strange Fake.
And no, Nine Lives IS an NP. It has always been, since Stay Night.
Pretty much, as proper Archer Herk would have at the minimum 4 NPs. God Hand, Nine Lives, the Nemean Pelt, whatever NP has to do with Hydra venom. Hell i wouldn't be surprised if he also has the NP that turns his NP into bronze birds.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
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