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    Wait, in the Temple of Time it's mentioned that the Accel/Zero event is a Lostbelt? This seems like important information; is it true and why hasn't someone mentioned it before?
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    maybe it wasn't originally there and was added later? You'd think the Japanese fans would notice.
    plus Accel Zero isn't really that much of one. Lostbelts tend to be called that cause they lived longer than whatever caused their pruning, a lasting singularity or something.

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    Sounds like classic 4chan bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Wait, in the Temple of Time it's mentioned that the Accel/Zero event is a Lostbelt? This seems like important information; is it true and why hasn't someone mentioned it before?
    It's a singularity in an alternate FZ world. And this is the only time the ibun part of ibuntai (lostbelt) being mentioned in the solomon chapter:

    It's when Iri talking to Kerry about HIM being an unlikely possibility from another world. It talks about him specifically and ibun alone can just mean "strange story". Maybe people saw that ibun with the pause and thought she stopped before saying the last kanji, but to me it just sounds like she is just pausing for a moment to think of something to say. Even if you assume she is trying to say ibuntai there, you get "you are the lostbelt of another world". Doesn't make any sense because ibuntai is a world, Kerry is not "a lostbelt of another world". And I highly doubt the AZO world gone haywire so bad that it must be pruned in the first place.
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    in Shimousa a slightly different term was used right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelp24 View Post
    in Shimousa a slightly different term was used right?
    Yes, it's a sub category parallel world.

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    any updates on Scati's skill descriptions?

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    Sigurd (after change)
    四角四面の超堅物。彼の時代には存在しないはずの眼鏡を掛けている。
    本人曰く、これこそ叡智の結晶であり、
    竜の心臓を喰らうことで手に入れたもの、と語る。
    基本的に合理的な人間であり、父の復讐を果たしたのも愛情からではなく、義務感からである。
    誰に対してもややつっけんどんで、少なくとも外側の部分で愛情を見せることはほぼない。
    しかし、もし彼が己の身を顧みずに誰かを庇ったのだとすれば、それはその「誰か」を彼が信頼した証であろう 。

    ○叡智の結晶:A
    本来、彼が生きた時代には有り得ぬ魔導具。
    竜の心臓を口にして得た叡智が結晶化したもの。
    生前から必要がない状況でも、好んで掛けていたが浴場では使い勝手が悪かったとか。
    他者が掛けても効果を発揮するが、その莫大な情報量のせいか、酷い頭痛が起こる。

    『壊劫の天輪』
    ランク:A+ 種別:対城宝具 
    レンジ:1~50 最大捕捉:1~900人

    ベルヴェルク・グラム。
    本来対人宝具であるグラムの全力解放。
    シグルドは剣からエネルギーを放出するのではなく、剣の力を引き摺り出した上で投擲することで「対城」宝具 とする。
    「投擲する方が効果的だと思った」とは本人の弁。
    投擲した剣は焔を撒き散らしながら対象に直撃、然る後にシグルドはグラムに全力の拳を叩き込む 。

    ベルヴェルクとは「禍を引き起こす者」という意味であり、即ち彼の祖であるオーディンの別名で ある。
    A formal, super straight-laced man. Wears glasses that shouldn't have existed in his previous life.
    According to him, those glasses are the crystallization of wisdom and something he obtained by devouring a dragon's heart.
    Fundamentally, a rational person. While he carried out revenge for his father, he did so more out of sense of duty than affection.
    Somewhat curt towards anybody; at the very least, he almost never demonstrate affection through his exterior.
    Still, should he ever protect someone without paying concern for himself, that would be proof that he trusted said "someone".

    Crystallization of Wisdom: A
    An inconceivable magic item for the age in which he lived in.
    Something that crystallized the wisdom acquired by eating a dragon's heart.
    During his lifetime, he deliberately wore these even in circumstances in which they were not needed, but it seems that their utility in the baths was bad or something.
    It exhibits its effects even if others wear it, but maybe due the enormous information volume, a sever headache occurs.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Bolverkr Gram - Heavenly Ring of the Aeon of Destruction
    Rank:
    A+
    Type: Anti-Fortress
    Range: 1~50
    Maximum Targets: 1~900 people
    The full power release of Gram, which is originally an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.
    Sigurd does not release energy from the sword, but rather establishes an "Anti-Fortress" Noble Phantasm by throwing the sword after dragging out its power.
    According to his testimony, "I thought it would be more effective if I threw it instead".
    Right after the thrown sword has directly hit the target while scattering flames, Sigurd drives his fist on Gram at full strength.

    Bolverkr means "the one who brings about calamities", and is a pseudonym of his ancestor Odin.


    Scathach-Skadi
    北欧異聞帯に由来するサーヴァント。
    汎人類史のスカサハとは「完全な別人」であり、異聞帯でのみ成立する神、女王としての性質に大きく傾いた存 在である。

    ケルトの英雄スカサハと由来を同じくする北欧の巨人、山の女神───スカディ(スカジ)の特徴が多く現出し ている。
    スカディの側面が濃いスカサハ、というよりも「スカサハの性質を一部有するスカディ」と表現す べきか。

    身長/体重:162cm・50kg
    出典:北欧神話、ケルト神話
    地域:欧州
    属性:混沌・善   性別:女性
    属性の「混沌」は自己申告によるもの。北欧異聞帯を支配した頃には自分自身の意向こそが社会秩序であったも のの、死して英霊として再現された今では異なるがゆえ、とのこと。

    今回の現界では、勇士を育てる師としての顔が一切存在していない。武芸の達人では、ない。
    超然としつつも親しみ易かったランサー・スカサハとは異なり、「なにか踏んでしまったかな」「おや小さきも の(人間)か」「愛そうか、殺そうか」と、まさしく自然(神々)そのものの性質を秘めている。

    ───息を吹く。
    吹雪になる。生物はおおむね死ぬ。
    ───ほほえむ。
    常春になる。生命は華やかに芽吹く。

    どちらも、彼女にとっては等価。

    スカディ(スカジ)の名は古ノルド語で「傷つくる者」を意味する。古エッダの『グリームニルの歌』によれば 「忌まわしき巨人スィアチ」の娘であり、父と共にどよめきの国スリュムヘイムの古い館に住んで いた。
    後に北欧の神々のもとへ嫁いだため、「神々の麗しい花嫁」と呼ばれる。

    スカディはスアンドルグ(スキーの神)、もしくはスアンドルディー(スキーの女神)とも称される。山におけ る狩りの達人であり、スキーの名手であると伝えられた。

    本作におけるスカサハとスカディは完全なイコールの存在ではないが、互いに影響を与え合い、「混じり合った 」という解釈を取る。
    ランサーとしてのスカサハが大神オーディンの所有する原初のルーンを譲り受けているのも、ある意味、この混 合(習合)ゆえであろう。

    ノルウェー王統の歴史書『ヘイムスクリングラ』によれば、スカディ(スカジ)は一度目の夫である海神ニョル ズと離婚し、オーディンと再婚した事になっている。
    本作の彼女は未婚だが、後世にそう記される程度には目を掛けられていた……はずである。

    「スカサハ=スカディ」として異聞帯に存在した彼女は特にスカディの混合比率が高く、そのため、神々の花嫁 としての性質を多数有している。

    『死溢るる魔境への門』
    ランク:A+ 種別:対軍宝具/開戦宝具
    レンジ:2~50 最大捕捉:200人

    ゲート・オブ・スカイ。
    世界とは断絶された魔境にして異境、世界の外側に在る「影の国」へと通じる巨大な「門」を一時的に召喚。女 神スカディではなく、ケルトのスカサハとしての自己が本来支配するはずの領域である「影の国」の一部たる「 影の城」が姿を見せる。
    効果範囲の中の存在のうち、彼女が認めた者にのみ、「影の城」は多大なる幸運と祝福を与える。
    「影の城」に愛された者は、力なき身であろうとも強大な敵を打ち倒す。

    通常の聖杯戦争でこの宝具を効果的に用いれば、驚くべき番狂わせをもたらす可能性もある。

    スカサハ=スカディは、なぜ自分がこの宝具を使用するのかはっきりとは理解できていない。北欧の神々から与 えられた加護が、もうひとりの自分(ケルトのスカサハ)に由来する異境の力を行使させているのであろうな、 程度の認識である。

    恐るべき女王。
    氷雪の女神。

    だが……
    異聞帯を統べていた頃には隠し続けてきたものの、彼女の心には「取り残された者」としての哀切 がある。
    神々に愛され、求婚され続けた女神であったが、気付けばラグナロクの果てにすべての神々は姿を消しており、 「異聞帯としての北欧世界最後の神」になってしまっていたゆえに。
    そして───

    実は、割とウッカリしている。
    実は、割とぽやんとしている。
    実は、割とあたたかみがある。
    関係を深めていけば、いずれ、女王としての顔以外の……彼女自身の個性が見えてくるだろう。
    神でもなく支配者でもなく、「北欧の母」としての仮面さえ剥げ落ちた、素の彼女が。
    Scathach-Skadi

    A Servant originated from the Norse Lostbelt.
    A "completely different person" from the Scathach of the Pan-Human History, she is a deity that applies only to that Lostbelt and an existence that is greatly inclined towards the disposition of a queen.

    Many of the traits of Skadi(Skathi) - the Norse giantess, goddess of mountains who shares the same origins as the Celtic heroine Scathach - have emerged.
    Rather than "a Scathach deeply collored by Skadi's aspects", it may be better to describe her as "a Skadi who is endowed with a portion of Scathach's disposition".

    In this manifestation, the facet of a teacher who raises brave warriors does not exist at all. She is not an expert of martial arts. Unlike the Lancer Scathach, who was easy to get along with even while remaining aloof(1), she conceals a disposition that is truly that of nature (the gods) itself - saying things like "Seems like I stepped on something", "Oh, it's the small one (human)" and "Should I love or kill you?"

    ───upon letting out a breath.
    It becomes a blizzard. Causing most living things to die.
    ───upon smiling.
    It becomes an everlasting spring. Causing life to bloom gorgeously.

    To her, both of these are equivalent.

    In the Ancient Norse language, the name Skadi(Skathi) means "harmful one". According to the Grimnismal of Poetic Edda, she is the daughter of the "abominable giant Thiazi" and lived together with her father in an old mansion in the land of commotions - Thrymheim.
    Due later marrying into the divine family, she would come to called the "lovely bride of the gods".

    Skadi is also referred as Ondurgud (god of ski) or Ondurdis (goddess of ski). It has been told that she was an expect in hunting at the mountains and a master of skiing.

    In this work, Scathach and Skadi are not completely the same existence, but rather takes an "intermingled" interpretation in which they have a mutual influence on each other.
    In a sense, it is probably due this mixture (syncretism​) that Lancer Scathach inherited the original runes possessed by the Great God Odin.

    According to the "Heimskringla", the history book of the Norwegian royalty, Skadi(Skathi) divorced from her first husband (the sea god Njorth) and remarried Odin.
    In this work, she remained unmarried and merely overlooked how later generations recorded things in this manner... or so it seems.

    Her self that existed in the Lostbelt as "Scathach-Skadi" possessed a especially high mixing ratio of Skadi components, so she possessed many traits as bride of the gods.

    A frightening queen.
    The goddess of ice and snow.

    However...
    Although she kept it hidden to the very end back when she governed the Lostbelt, her heart holds the melancholy of "someone who was left behind".
    For she was goddess loved by the other gods and who continuously received marriage proposals. Yet, by the time she realized, all gods disappeared at the end of the Ragnarok and she ended up becoming "the last god of the Norse world as a Lostbelt".
    And also───

    Actually, she is relatively careless.
    Actually, she is relatively petty.
    Actually, she has a relatively warm side.
    If your relationship deepens, you might eventually see her own individuality... which is different from her facet as a queen.
    Not a deity or even a ruler, but her plain self from which even the mask of the "Mother of the Norse" was peeled off.

    Height/Weight: 162cm・50kg
    Source: Norse mythology, Celtic mythology
    Region: Europe
    Alignment: Chaotic Good
    Gender: Female
    The "Chaotic" alignment comes from her own personal statement. That is because her own will in itself was the public order back when she ruled the Norse Lostbelt, but things are different now that she have died and been revived as Heroic Spirit - or so she says.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Gate of Skye - Gateway Towards the Death-Overflowing Haunted Ground

    Rank: A+
    Type: Anti-Army/Opening of Hostilities
    Range: 2~50
    Maximum Targets: 200 people
    Temporarily summons a giant "gateway" that leads to the "Land of Shadows" - a haunted ground, foreign land severed from the rest of the world, which exists in the Outside of the World. "Land of Shadows"; the fiefdom which she originally was supposed to rule over - not as the goddess Skadi, but as the Celtic Scathach. A portion of it - the "Fortress of Shadows" - thus makes an appearance.
    Among the existences within its effective range, the "Fortress of Shadows" bestows great luck and blessings only to those she had approved of.
    Those loved by the "Fortress of Shadows" defeat powerful enemies even if they themselves are powerless.

    If this Noble Phantasm were to be effectively employed in a regular Holy Grail War, it would be possible to bring about an astonishing upset(2).

    Scathach-Skadi herself does not clearly understands why she uses this Noble Phantasm. She merely perceives that the divine protection bestowed by the Norse gods is probably being employed through the power of haunted ground originated from her other self (the Celtic Scathach).


    (1)the term used here can also be translated as "transcendental​"

    (2)as in "unexpected result"
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    Sigurd (after change)


    A formal, super straight-laced man. Wears glasses that shouldn't have existed in his previous life.
    According to him, those glasses are the crystallization of wisdom and something he obtained by devouring a dragon's heart.
    Fundamentally, a rational person. While he carried out revenge for his father, he did so more out of sense of duty than affection.
    Somewhat curt towards anybody; at the very least, he almost never demonstrate affection through his exterior.
    Still, should he ever protect someone without paying concern for himself, that would be proof that he trusted said "someone".

    Crystallization of Wisdom: A
    An inconceivable magic item for the age in which he lived in.
    Something that crystallized the wisdom acquired by eating a dragon's heart.
    During his lifetime, he deliberately wore these even in circumstances in which they were not needed, but it seems that their utility in the baths was bad or something.
    It exhibits its effects even if others wear it, but maybe due the enormous information volume, a sever headache occurs.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Bolverkr Gram - Heavenly Ring of the Aeon of Destruction
    Rank:
    A+
    Type: Anti-Fortress
    Range: 1~50
    Maximum Targets: 1~900 people
    The full power release of Gram, which is originally an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.
    Sigurd does not release energy from the sword, but rather establishes an "Anti-Fortress" Noble Phantasm by throwing the sword after dragging out its power.
    According to his testimony, "I thought it would be more effective if I threw it instead".
    Right after the thrown sword has directly hit the target while scattering flames, Sigurd drives his fist on Gram at full strength.

    Bolverkr means "the one who brings about calamities", and is a pseudonym of his ancestor Odin.


    Scathach-Skadi


    Scathach-Skadi

    A Servant originated from the Norse Lostbelt.
    A "completely different person" from the Scathach of the Pan-Human History, she is a deity that applies only to that Lostbelt and an existence that is greatly inclined towards the disposition of a queen.

    Many of the traits of Skadi(Skathi) - the Norse giantess, goddess of mountains who shares the same origins as the Celtic heroine Scathach - have emerged.
    Rather than "a Scathach deeply collored by Skadi's aspects", it may be better to describe her as "a Skadi who is endowed with a portion of Scathach's disposition".

    In this manifestation, the facet of a teacher who raises brave warriors does not exist at all. She is not an expert of martial arts. Unlike the Lancer Scathach, who was easy to get along with even while remaining aloof(1), she conceals a disposition that is truly that of nature (the gods) itself - saying things like "Seems like I stepped on something", "Oh, it's the small one (human)" and "Should I love or kill you?"

    ───upon letting out a breath.
    It becomes a blizzard. Causing most living things to die.
    ───upon smiling.
    It becomes an everlasting spring. Causing life to bloom gorgeously.

    To her, both of these are equivalent.

    In the Ancient Norse language, the name Skadi(Skathi) means "harmful one". According to the Grimnismal of Poetic Edda, she is the daughter of the "abominable giant Thiazi" and lived together with her father in an old mansion in the land of commotions - Thrymheim.
    Due later marrying into the divine family, she would come to called the "lovely bride of the gods".

    Skadi is also referred as Ondurgud (god of ski) or Ondurdis (goddess of ski). It has been told that she was an expect in hunting at the mountains and a master of skiing.

    In this work, Scathach and Skadi are not completely the same existence, but rather takes an "intermingled" interpretation in which they have a mutual influence on each other.
    In a sense, it is probably due this mixture (syncretism​) that Lancer Scathach inherited the original runes possessed by the Great God Odin.

    According to the "Heimskringla", the history book of the Norwegian royalty, Skadi(Skathi) divorced from her first husband (the sea god Njorth) and remarried Odin.
    In this work, she remained unmarried and merely overlooked how later generations recorded things in this manner... or so it seems.

    Her self that existed in the Lostbelt as "Scathach-Skadi" possessed a especially high mixing ratio of Skadi components, so she possessed many traits as bride of the gods.

    A frightening queen.
    The goddess of ice and snow.

    However...
    Although she kept it hidden to the very end back when she governed the Lostbelt, her heart holds the melancholy of "someone who was left behind".
    For she was goddess loved by the other gods and who continuously received marriage proposals. Yet, by the time she realized, all gods disappeared at the end of the Ragnarok and she ended up becoming "the last god of the Norse world as a Lostbelt".
    And also───

    Actually, she is relatively careless.
    Actually, she is relatively petty.
    Actually, she has a relatively warm side.
    If your relationship deepens, you might eventually see her own individuality... which is different from her facet as a queen.
    Not a deity or even a ruler, but her plain self from which even the mask of the "Mother of the Norse" was peeled off.

    Height/Weight: 162cm・50kg
    Source: Norse mythology, Celtic mythology
    Region: Europe
    Alignment: Chaotic Good
    Gender: Female
    The "Chaotic" alignment comes from her own personal statement. That is because her own will in itself was the public order back when she ruled the Norse Lostbelt, but things are different now that she have died and been revived as Heroic Spirit - or so she says.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Gate of Skye - Gateway Towards the Death-Overflowing Haunted Ground

    Rank: A+
    Type: Anti-Army/Declaration of War
    Range: 2~50
    Maximum Targets: 200 people
    Temporarily summons a giant "gateway" that leads to the "Land of Shadows" - a haunted ground, foreign land severed from the rest of the world, which exists in the Outside of the World. "Land of Shadows"; the fiefdom which she originally was supposed to rule over - not as the goddess Skadi, but as the Celtic Scathach. A portion of it - the "Fortress of Shadows" - thus makes an appearance.
    Among the existences within its effective range, the "Fortress of Shadows" bestows great luck and blessings only to those she had approved of.
    Those loved by the "Fortress of Shadows" defeat powerful enemies even if they themselves are powerless.

    If this Noble Phantasm were to be effectively employed in a regular Holy Grail War, it would be possible to bring about an astonishing upset(2).

    Scathach-Skadi herself does not clearly understands why she uses this Noble Phantasm. She merely perceives that the divine protection bestowed by the Norse gods is probably being employed through the power of haunted ground originated from her other self (the Celtic Scathach).


    (1)the term used here can also be translated as "transcendental​"

    (2)as in "unexpected result"

    So wait, if only the "Chaotic" part of her alignment comes from her own statement, where does the "Good" come from?

    Ugh, one day I'm going to catch Nasu and shake him like a rat until he either drops his Servant alignment notes or the Servant alignment dartboard he uses.
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    Thank you, MoC. Nice to get confirmation on Scathach-Skadi and which of the two personalities is dominant. Sigurd is a cute and I don't regret rolling for him!

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    What skill descriptions? There are none. That doesn't somehow change.
    it does if you keep repeating it for a few years and then the go mats come out
    with sakurai one liners that repeat the name of the skill
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Chaos View Post
    Sigurd (after change)


    A formal, super straight-laced man. Wears glasses that shouldn't have existed in his previous life.
    According to him, those glasses are the crystallization of wisdom and something he obtained by devouring a dragon's heart.
    Fundamentally, a rational person. While he carried out revenge for his father, he did so more out of sense of duty than affection.
    Somewhat curt towards anybody; at the very least, he almost never demonstrate affection through his exterior.
    Still, should he ever protect someone without paying concern for himself, that would be proof that he trusted said "someone".

    Crystallization of Wisdom: A
    An inconceivable magic item for the age in which he lived in.
    Something that crystallized the wisdom acquired by eating a dragon's heart.
    During his lifetime, he deliberately wore these even in circumstances in which they were not needed, but it seems that their utility in the baths was bad or something.
    It exhibits its effects even if others wear it, but maybe due the enormous information volume, a sever headache occurs.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Bolverkr Gram - Heavenly Ring of the Aeon of Destruction
    Rank:
    A+
    Type: Anti-Fortress
    Range: 1~50
    Maximum Targets: 1~900 people
    The full power release of Gram, which is originally an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm.
    Sigurd does not release energy from the sword, but rather establishes an "Anti-Fortress" Noble Phantasm by throwing the sword after dragging out its power.
    According to his testimony, "I thought it would be more effective if I threw it instead".
    Right after the thrown sword has directly hit the target while scattering flames, Sigurd drives his fist on Gram at full strength.

    Bolverkr means "the one who brings about calamities", and is a pseudonym of his ancestor Odin.


    Scathach-Skadi


    Scathach-Skadi

    A Servant originated from the Norse Lostbelt.
    A "completely different person" from the Scathach of the Pan-Human History, she is a deity that applies only to that Lostbelt and an existence that is greatly inclined towards the disposition of a queen.

    Many of the traits of Skadi(Skathi) - the Norse giantess, goddess of mountains who shares the same origins as the Celtic heroine Scathach - have emerged.
    Rather than "a Scathach deeply collored by Skadi's aspects", it may be better to describe her as "a Skadi who is endowed with a portion of Scathach's disposition".

    In this manifestation, the facet of a teacher who raises brave warriors does not exist at all. She is not an expert of martial arts. Unlike the Lancer Scathach, who was easy to get along with even while remaining aloof(1), she conceals a disposition that is truly that of nature (the gods) itself - saying things like "Seems like I stepped on something", "Oh, it's the small one (human)" and "Should I love or kill you?"

    ───upon letting out a breath.
    It becomes a blizzard. Causing most living things to die.
    ───upon smiling.
    It becomes an everlasting spring. Causing life to bloom gorgeously.

    To her, both of these are equivalent.

    In the Ancient Norse language, the name Skadi(Skathi) means "harmful one". According to the Grimnismal of Poetic Edda, she is the daughter of the "abominable giant Thiazi" and lived together with her father in an old mansion in the land of commotions - Thrymheim.
    Due later marrying into the divine family, she would come to called the "lovely bride of the gods".

    Skadi is also referred as Ondurgud (god of ski) or Ondurdis (goddess of ski). It has been told that she was an expect in hunting at the mountains and a master of skiing.

    In this work, Scathach and Skadi are not completely the same existence, but rather takes an "intermingled" interpretation in which they have a mutual influence on each other.
    In a sense, it is probably due this mixture (syncretism​) that Lancer Scathach inherited the original runes possessed by the Great God Odin.

    According to the "Heimskringla", the history book of the Norwegian royalty, Skadi(Skathi) divorced from her first husband (the sea god Njorth) and remarried Odin.
    In this work, she remained unmarried and merely overlooked how later generations recorded things in this manner... or so it seems.

    Her self that existed in the Lostbelt as "Scathach-Skadi" possessed a especially high mixing ratio of Skadi components, so she possessed many traits as bride of the gods.

    A frightening queen.
    The goddess of ice and snow.

    However...
    Although she kept it hidden to the very end back when she governed the Lostbelt, her heart holds the melancholy of "someone who was left behind".
    For she was goddess loved by the other gods and who continuously received marriage proposals. Yet, by the time she realized, all gods disappeared at the end of the Ragnarok and she ended up becoming "the last god of the Norse world as a Lostbelt".
    And also───

    Actually, she is relatively careless.
    Actually, she is relatively petty.
    Actually, she has a relatively warm side.
    If your relationship deepens, you might eventually see her own individuality... which is different from her facet as a queen.
    Not a deity or even a ruler, but her plain self from which even the mask of the "Mother of the Norse" was peeled off.

    Height/Weight: 162cm・50kg
    Source: Norse mythology, Celtic mythology
    Region: Europe
    Alignment: Chaotic Good
    Gender: Female
    The "Chaotic" alignment comes from her own personal statement. That is because her own will in itself was the public order back when she ruled the Norse Lostbelt, but things are different now that she have died and been revived as Heroic Spirit - or so she says.

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Gate of Skye - Gateway Towards the Death-Overflowing Haunted Ground

    Rank: A+
    Type: Anti-Army/Declaration of War
    Range: 2~50
    Maximum Targets: 200 people
    Temporarily summons a giant "gateway" that leads to the "Land of Shadows" - a haunted ground, foreign land severed from the rest of the world, which exists in the Outside of the World. "Land of Shadows"; the fiefdom which she originally was supposed to rule over - not as the goddess Skadi, but as the Celtic Scathach. A portion of it - the "Fortress of Shadows" - thus makes an appearance.
    Among the existences within its effective range, the "Fortress of Shadows" bestows great luck and blessings only to those she had approved of.
    Those loved by the "Fortress of Shadows" defeat powerful enemies even if they themselves are powerless.

    If this Noble Phantasm were to be effectively employed in a regular Holy Grail War, it would be possible to bring about an astonishing upset(2).

    Scathach-Skadi herself does not clearly understands why she uses this Noble Phantasm. She merely perceives that the divine protection bestowed by the Norse gods is probably being employed through the power of haunted ground originated from her other self (the Celtic Scathach).


    (1)the term used here can also be translated as "transcendental​"

    (2)as in "unexpected result"
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    > Einzbern

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    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    It's a singularity in an alternate FZ world. And this is the only time the ibun part of ibuntai (lostbelt) being mentioned in the solomon chapter:

    It's when Iri talking to Kerry about HIM being an unlikely possibility from another world. It talks about him specifically and ibun alone can just mean "strange story". Maybe people saw that ibun with the pause and thought she stopped before saying the last kanji, but to me it just sounds like she is just pausing for a moment to think of something to say. Even if you assume she is trying to say ibuntai there, you get "you are the lostbelt of another world". Doesn't make any sense because ibuntai is a world, Kerry is not "a lostbelt of another world". And I highly doubt the AZO world gone haywire so bad that it must be pruned in the first place.
    OK, this makes sense, thanks
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
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    I think Alex IV can eat Goku.

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    Sorry for the newbie crash. There was a post I wanted to respond to the other day, but I was too tired at the time to write anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Myth wise there's very little connection between Skadi and Scathach

    Cu & Odin are totally unrelated unless they want to make Lugh = Odin or some shit. Knowing T-M they might find a way.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the following things I mention have already been discussed on these forums, but, I admit, I don’t have the energy nor the patience to look for old posts. If you could bear with me, then…

    One could say that there have already been several hints of the connection with both the dogs (or wolves—whatever) on Caster Cu’s final ascension card and his own appearance, which could be a nod to Odin’s Hooded One title. Assuming that nod is true, the funny thing about it is the story behind that title (i.e. Odin pulling down his hood to cover up his missing eye) could foreshadow a title that Cu had—“Cu Chulainn the Blind”, which, from what I’ve read, has two potential meanings: his riastrad alter-ego losing an eye and his human form’s inability to fully open one of his eyes—a physical imperfection that he appears to have been born with (and Ferdiad mocked him for having). It’s possible that Type-Moon may not know about those details concerning Odin and Cu, but I’m skeptical of that because they seem to be aware of less widely known stories of Cu’s, like some of the mythos behind riastrad (there was an incriminating line in Chapter 5) and his one escapade into Lochland. Speaking of the latter, knowing that story made the Scathach/Skadi connection easy for me to anticipate. If Type-Moon knows that story as well as a few of Cu’s other stories at least as much as I do, and if they share what they know in the Fate series, I suspect the Cu/Odin connection would become obvious to most people.

    On the note of Lugh… if they know the sources, Type-Moon wouldn’t have to connect Lugh with Odin. In fact, just going off what I’ve read, it wouldn’t make much sense for them to do that because Lugh doesn’t share as many themes with Odin—like wood (wood magic/wood wisdom, more specifically), death/fate (i.e. a foretold death, dying three times, etc.), poetry/communication, madness, exile, war, foresight (in the form of games), and contradictory roles (e.g. protector and destroyer), among others—as Cu does. There’s also that whole Cu/Esus/Odin discussion that some scholars are still having to consider. It ultimately comes down to how much Type-Moon knows. But from what I’ve seen so far, I’m inclined to think Type-Moon would make a connection between Cu and Odin rather than between Lugh and Odin. What that exact connection would be, I couldn’t say for certain because there are a few ways Type-Moon could handle it.

    … And with that, my crime is complete. Apologies if the spellings I use are unfamiliar; they’re just the ones that I’m most accustomed to seeing and using. Also, apologies in advance if I don’t respond any time soon. Keeping up with forum discussions is not one of my strengths, and besides, I get most of my kicks out of simply reading other people’s posts—Magikewl’s and asterism42’s especially.

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    Well, even the fox can be connected to Amateratsu and Buddha, so anything can happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusAxeMachina View Post
    Oh, absolutely. I didn't say she was being particularly cruel about it, just that her approach to making friends is... well... quite creative (Though she has the excuse of not knowing about Mashu's character development or her bonds with the Chaldea crew). Funnily enough she did connect with Surtr easily enough by just being nice to him, but doesn't try the same with Mashu. Honestly, Sakurai portrayed the disconnection between Ophelia and her emotions really well imo. It's clear from the start that she's very much a character who acts on an emotional basis, but since she herself fails to understand that, she ends up taking contradictory actions and being indecisive. Not understanding the contradiction between wanting to befriend Mashu and wanting to kill the SB's crew is simply a facet of that disconnection.
    Let me elaborate on this a bit (in case you're planning to use it in a fanfic or something). From what I see, Ophelia didn't try to further befriend Mashu during the LB. She was building a friendship with Mashu but then the bomb went off. Then as a Crypter, Ophelia was supposed to wipe out the Chaldea co. but she was firm about not killing Mashu. I don't think this was her method of befriending Mashu, it was more like she just didn't want to kill someone whom she considered a friend. Well, Mashu would be sad if Guda and co. die but Ophelia shouldn't have the luxury of letting the whole team go just for the sake of Mashu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JellyfishMarine View Post
    Let me elaborate on this a bit (in case you're planning to use it in a fanfic or something). From what I see, Ophelia didn't try to further befriend Mashu during the LB. She was building a friendship with Mashu but then the bomb went off. Then as a Crypter, Ophelia was supposed to wipe out the Chaldea co. but she was firm about not killing Mashu. I don't think this was her method of befriending Mashu, it was more like she just didn't want to kill someone whom she considered a friend. Well, Mashu would be sad if Guda and co. die but Ophelia shouldn't have the luxury of letting the whole team go just for the sake of Mashu.
    I don't do fanfics, no. I just like the way Ophelia is characterized. Her character is probably the part I enjoyed the most about LB2 so far, which is funny because she seemed like the least interesting Crypter to me at first.

    Anyway, doesn't Ophelia still try to recruit/befriend Mashu during the lostbelt? At least, that's what I was told. Imho the most probable headcanon is that since Ophelia only knew the obedient, emotionally stagnant Mashu from before bonding with Guda & co, once you couple that with her own emotional awkwardness, it's not that weird that she would actually think there was a chance Mashu wouldn't turn down her offer.

  20. #50820
    Ophelia pretty much noticed at their first reunion that Mashu has changed from her journey to become stronger and more beautiful. She was very happy about that and wished that she could sit down and listen to Mashu's stories, but she had to carry out her duty as a Crypter. I can't remember when she offered Mashu to join the Crypter but definitely not during their first reunion. Maybe in the later encounters but I think it was more to avoid fighting with Mashu.

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