Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Marros]

I've read that Altera is too a Valkyrie but i'm not too sure about that, that's why i asked

Extella Spoilers Incoming

Spoiler:

The Valkyries were created by Odin from the body of the White Titan Sefar, also known as Altera. So Altera's either their oldest sister or maybe their mom?

[Reign]

I'd go with sister if you're going to give it a familial term, since in the real world myth Attila is Brynhildr's brother which I'm sure is where their connection in Fate was inspired from.

Contrast that with the Nibelungenlied, where instead Attila is Kriemhild's second husband after Siegfried dies. That also came up in one of either Fried's or Altera's interludes.

[Iceblade44]

Actually in the Volsung Saga Kriemhild(or Gudrun as she's known there) also marries Attila(known there as Ati). She also murders him, so yeah.

[You]

Just finished Danzo's interlude
so Murasama is a counter guardian?

Caster Limbo
「憎き新免武蔵の姿はなし。
あの滑稽極まる、いえ、皮肉極まる抑止の守護者もなく。

So would that mean he's

Among the Heroic Spirits, there are those from legends, those that really existed, and those that were never observed at all. The ones who aren't worshipped much fall under the broad classification of “Counter Guardian,” and are used as a mindless “Counter Force.”

which is weird because he's not supposed to be a HS.
Guess we'll find out.

[Lily Emilio]

Wasn't that already mentioned in Shimousa when Muramasa talked to Satanic Amakusa? That he is an agent of the counter force summoned here to kill his target that is Amakusa or something.

[You]

Wasn't that already mentioned in Shimousa when Muramasa talked to Satanic Amakusa? That he is an agent of the counter force summoned here to kill his target that is Amakusa or something.

In Shimousa it seemed like he was a Ryoma
Here Caster Limbo seems to be implying he's an Okita Alter

[Lily Emilio]

In Shimousa it seemed like he was a Ryoma
Here Caster Limbo seems to be implying he's an Okita Alter

Yeah he did said that heroic spirits summoned as CGs should not have any personalities which makes them different from servants, while he doesn't know the actual target until he saw Amakusa and still has his own free will, meaning he's probably like Ryouma. But upon reading discussions I was under the impression that he has the same problem like Karna in Extella, who was summoned as Top Servant but did not know his target until Jeanne told him. So Muramasa could have been a CG summoned but for some reason did not know his target and was not brainwashed like Kerry. I did not think of the similarities to Okita Alter tho.

[castor212]

Extella Spoilers Incoming

Spoiler:

The Valkyries were created by Odin from the body of the White Titan Sefar, also known as Altera. So Altera's either their oldest sister or maybe their mom?

how is this extella spoilers
this does not came up in extella and extella has zero mention of valkyries afaik

i dont think even bryn's 2nd interlude directly said the valkyries are created literally from sefar's body. altera only said "if, perhaps, i do have role in your creation"

tldr pretty sure this is only a fan inference, a theory, and not a factual quotation albeit not necessarily untrue

[Lord C]

Kinda weird, since in Altera's interlude she and Brynhildr don't seem to recognize each other. Likewise, Altera knows Siegfried and Kriemhild, while Brynhildr attacks her because she senses a presence similar to Sigurd's coming from Altera. Mashu also explains it's a misunderstanding from Brynhildr noting that they are different people sharing the same origins

[Zork Knight]

Kinda weird, since in Altera's interlude she and Brynhildr don't seem to recognize each other. Likewise, Altera knows Siegfried and Kriemhild, while Brynhildr attacks her because she senses a presence similar to Sigurd's coming from Altera. Mashu also explains it's a misunderstanding from Brynhildr noting that they are different people sharing the same origins

Apparently she sensed a presence similar to Gudrun in Altera, because Altera was Kriemhild's husband.

[neveron]

The Valkyries also have lines for Altera, for reference:

This feeling...somehow, it feels nostalgic... However, it is different from my sisters' presence... Is this some kind of hallucination? (If you have Altera or Altera the Santa)

Sensing wavelength. Synchronization impossible. Locating identical bodies failed. ...How weird~. I thought a comrade was here, but it seems like I was completely mistaken.(If you have Altera or Altera the Santa)

This wavelength is... No, wrong. You are not a Valküre, but then how can this... (If you have Altera or Altera the Santa)

(Translations by reddit.)

[PrimordialRune]

Extella Spoilers Incoming

Spoiler:

The Valkyries were created by Odin from the body of the White Titan Sefar, also known as Altera. So Altera's either their oldest sister or maybe their mom?

Yeah, i've also heard about that buf as i remember is not confirmed yet (?)
But i think it'll makes sense, just makes me think that Altera in her first interlude when sees Bryn didn't recognize her as her sister, but instead talks about kriemhild.
The Santa one seems instead to recognize her as her sister (Maybe because she's more human? idk) but i can't tell since i don't undesrtand japanese and i didn't fine anywhere translations about that here or on reddit.

how is this extella spoilers
this does not came up in extella and extella has zero mention of valkyries afaik

i dont think even bryn's 2nd interlude directly said the valkyries are created literally from sefar's body. altera only said "if, perhaps, i do have role in your creation"

tldr pretty sure this is only a fan inference, a theory, and not a factual quotation albeit not necessarily untrue

So Altera didn't recognize Bryn as her sister but she talks about that possibility? Have i understood correctly?
Could you briefly summarize what happens in that interlude?

The Valkyries also have lines for Altera, for reference:
(Translations by reddit.)

Hmm, that could be a hint then, has Altera maybe forgotten the Valkyries due to a loss of memory maybe?

[Magikewl]

Altera’s 2nd interlude was released during that period of time where the writers were all like “Who is this girl?!?!11!?” in order to entice people to buy Extella to get the full story so they had Bryn going cray cray and Altera herself being super vague about her past. This is probably why they didn’t interact that much in the interlude

In Bryn’s 2nd interlude Bryn isn’t even there for most of it so it’s mostly just Mash and Chaldea gang musing out loud about Altera and Bryn’s relationship

But yes they are sisters and Altera is an honorary Valkyrie (please don’t take this literally and turn it into some weird powerlevel thing)

[Rafflesiac]

So you're saying that the Valks saw the Altera route in Extella and sighed disapprovingly

[castor212]

I mean at this point obviously altera has connections with the valkyries

Thats not to say hey guys valkures are carved from flesh molding of the titan's corpse, literally

I meam its not impossible theyd go with that direction but thats not an established fact either

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[Iceblade44]

Actually checking. The wiki didn't even had that down. Or even a connection between Altera and the Valkyries. which I guess is because it wasn't mentioned in the main story.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

How many people here that have power to change wiki?

[You]

i think everyone does because its a wiki

[Deathhappens]

I just changed someone's gender for kicks so I assume "everyone" won't include me for long.


(good children, do not do this)

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(just to be clear I did not actually do that and you shouldn't either)

[Lily Emilio]

I mean at this point obviously altera has connections with the valkyries

Thats not to say hey guys valkures are carved from flesh molding of the titan's corpse, literally

I meam its not impossible theyd go with that direction but thats not an established fact either

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Inb4 wiki already got edited

I think the reason ppl speculate that Odin used the corpse of Sefar is due to the whole stuffs about things coming from the body of the original titan Ymir and flame giants born from

Muspelheim

Surtr's body

. It just goes well with the theme, despite not being confirmed to be the case. Then fanon getting spreaded all over the place.