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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Wait, Canaan flopped? How the heck is it that Bee Train's "girls with guns" anime can get two sequels despite being roughly as exciting as a tepid bowl of oatmeal and yet Canaan which is the same genre yet actually good is considered a flop? Truly, there is no justice in the world... (That reminds me, I really need to finish Canaan sometime. Watched a few episodes and it was totally my jam but then I got distracted by other things...)
    Surely I didn't just hear you diss the Noir trilogy.
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    Isn't Noir the classic that make Girls with guns live?
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    archiving piece meal lore bits i found interesting

    if these are already mentioned in previous pages, then uh nothing to see here
    Spoiler:


    so finally, FINALLY we got confirmation that Guda co is using talisman to bypass language barrier. I need that talisman


    the space within the shield is big enough for camping sets for at least 2 persons, inclusing rations and waters and all that. convenient


    Sitonai
    "Saint Graph out of the norm, Extra Classes. Different from how the normal Servants are."


    probs small thing but its a rough definition of extra classes




    Mashu
    "Orthenaus capabilities enlargement! Momentary output increase! -----Amalgam Gott!"


    this skill is essentially overclocking Orthenaus


    Caenis
    "Dont think that everything in Lostbelt is your ally, beast of beloved."
    Interesting way to call Koya. is kemono kemono or just alluding to capital B Beast (?)


    Da Vinci
    "THe great god engraved seal! The primal rune that had once existed in the age of the gods!?
    Even by rough estimation, the power exceeds moder rune by several hundreds fold! This is a magic of the age of the gods, exceedingly close to sorcery!
    Putting aside the fact that you're using a portion of it as a general magic, ig you genuinely unleash such a thing, even your saint graph will!"
    Fragment throwbacks (?)


    Bryn
    "This is a Noble Phantasm which kills only those appropriate for me to love, only owners of the soul worthy of brave warriors."
    just archiving what exactly, or maybe roughly, bryn's beloved qualification is


    "Wait, that should not be the case.
    Crypters contracts Heroic Spirit which is restricted to the "territory"..."
    basically a confirmation that barring weird shenanigans, crypters summons Lostbelt version of the heroes.





    ???
    "You, the
    crypter
    one who conceal
    , is most fitting to be the evangelist."
    incidentally,
    Quote Originally Posted by google senpai
    A crypter is software that can encrypt, obfuscate, and manipulate malware, making it undetectable to security programs
    also no screenshot, but reviving the crypters apparently requires a toll to be paid, and also hell of a bitch of a agony, literal agony, to the one paying the toll. the problem is Kirschtaria was the only one able to communicate even in dying with the ??? entity, the rest is much closer to die for real. The ??? originally was only planning to rez Kirsch because he is unrivalled (muteki), but Kirchs argues that just because he's like that doesnt mean he is omniscient. Even if there is a percentage that the rest of the A team could do better than him, then that chance should be taken and the ??? should rez them as well. but the rest of the A-team cant pay the toll; so Kirchs paid for it, 7 times over
    Ophelia is the only one who gets to see that, because of her special sauce magan, and so know that Kirchs hides the fact that p much the rest of the Crypters owe loans to him. By all rights Kirchs is totally allowed to call on that debt and demand them to obey his decision, but for Kirchs that wont do because he wants competition to get the very best, not subordinate. THis, combines with how Ophelia already has respect for Kirchs to begin with, is what makes her so loyal to him.





    endcard uses cosmos denial with the kanji as fantasy felled (as in the tree of fantasy)
    i propose calling kuusouju Cosmos Tree from now on


    Holmes
    "Pay attention to his Noble Phantasm! Surt's Noble Phantasm is a divine forged armament, forged by the planet! It possesses the preferential right against all life! If one is a living creatures with a form, then one would be destroyed even if one is a god of the age of the gods!"


    Scadi
    "The blade created in the planet. An equipment that tears off the reality known as the age of the gods from the surface of the planet. So much that there shall be nothing left after wards."


    Mashu
    "A divine forged, armament..."


    DV
    "A Noble Phantasm equals to even the
    Rhongomyniad
    Holy Spear
    ..."



    firesword awesome
    thats not to say all planet creation shinzou heiso has that preferential right, but its interesting how surt's instrument of ragnarok is one created by the planet itself, ranking equal to even rhongobongo


    "Your end was not like that of the Greek world, which was forgotten by the people; it was one of caring for the dying outline of the myth closing its own curtain by its own destruction."


    Greek god age ends is apparently by the people forgetting it.


    "And so, my sworn friend Zeus calls it as such: the Atlas World Tree.


    And Chaldeans. For you, this cosmos tree is the greatest of obstacle.


    My Lostbelt's cosmos tree's root had already topple 80% of the surface.
    Even if you fell the cosmos tree on theother Lostbelt, as long as the World Tree Atlas exist, the panhuman history shall never be once again."

    "I shall create it. A world that will never be toppled over, no matter how much the awareness of men seethes it. A sphere of existence that would never be broken even should it lose a part of it."
    Now the kanji is different, but this takes me back to how universe of awareness/awareness space works. So essentially i assume Kirchs' goal is making a steady world that isnt affected by awareness of the primes within it (?)


    Im fucking hype for Greek lostbelt now help

    "I have heard that, losing the sea god, now many heroic spirit of the panhuman history had manifested in the sea. DO go back to Lord Kirschtaria's side immediately with out breaking your journey."


    oh shit is poseidon gone
    also no SS but artemis be wreaking havoc


    "It only took less than half a year. For the Human Order to judge this Norse where gods and men do not walk.
    But impossible it may be, we persist to be for 3000 years.
    I know not for sure whether this contradiction, this miracle is by the power of the cosmos tree.
    However, my Norse have indeed live again in the present era, in this planet!"


    Lostbelt indeed shouldve gone poof pretty short time after its judged prunable, but maaaaybe the cosmos tree forcibly makes them go on on top of sewing them to the bleached planet

    Ophelia
    "That bizzare, gigantic sun is your...."


    Sigurd (not)
    "My true body.
    To be specific, its the great god's gaol imprisoning my body.
    Kuku. So magi of the panhuman history does not know of this? The flame country, the fire realm, the home town of the muspel, is my very body itself! Materializing for the sake of destruction, the flame of the end!"


    Muspelheim IS Surt's bod.


    "Have you forgotten?
    Im the sole hero of the Human Order in the Norse Lostbelt. Im tuned for fighting in Norse. Plus I got another trump card of my own!"

    "Heroic Spirits are mostly like that. We know in our head, but it's pretty hard to feel it for real.
    How much can I trust my own power? How much can I really test myself? Thats probably how I thought about it."



    literal boost from the human order
    also, Napoleon said that eireis difference in power between alive version and HS version may need some getting use if its too differentthis is probably particularly true for Napoleon, whose range of change is larger than most due to being literal Man of Possibility. There is this scene where he outright said that his current state as a Servant is taller and using a bigass canon that he definitely did not use during his life.



    "......I see. The resistance of panhuman history, is it."


    Scadi
    "That is what truly frightening about you. You have no Counter Force as an ally, yet still you display such a tightrope walking accomplishment. "

    the alaya is ded/dying and is really limited on interference
    panhuman history resistance =/= counterforce resistance (?)



    her eyes are jewel rank.
    no SS for this one, but it essentially do 3 things: it sees possibilities, and derived form that has the ability to halt a possibility comparable to halting something by pinning it down with a needle, and its a keystone that ties Surtr.
    btw im sad how we still dont know how exactly Sirius Light works, or what it even does exactly

    also i dditn get screenshot, but it is explained that Skadi is Scathach Skadi because Odin overlaps Skadi with a person connected to Skadi but not Skadi in order to conceal's surt's eyes
    blame odin


    the reason we also beat scadi is because ontop of the support we are receiving to beat Surt, she had to maintain the icesnow to holdback Surt's bloodfire from expanding, healing the land, healing the people, protecting the land, the last three she had been doing continously for 3000 years bla bla bla, all adds up that the magic energy she has for fighting the Chaldeans is trifling.
    in a sense, we beat Scadi thanks to Surt.
    thanks Surt


    also Fou is very active in this lostbelt


    also the many instances of Gordolf is wholesome and gives the impression that he is actually a very decent person by normal standard, just that, or maybe in spite of, being raised in a traditional magi family. Im legit curious of how Musik family is in GO timeline


    also just a thought of why i find Anastasia better than Gotterdamerung
    P much all event in Anastasia is properly foreshadowed and everyone there has their use. Like, everythingjust fits nicely.
    In Gotterdamerung, most of the time it actually felt awkward. Like, somepart couldve been better foreshadowed, some part could have been made longer so we can chew on it more thoroughly. The more offending example for me is how Napoleon's sacrifice doesnt excite a response from me, simply because in the overall narration Napoleon wasnt written well enough for me to care about him, and his sacrifice is kinda out of nowhere. Another example is how Surt and Scadi's lost is too fastly written with not enough narrative preparation, unlike with Anastasia and particularyl Ivan where we get hammered again and again of how much a bitch an effort it is to finally beat them.
    The part where I genuinely went gaga is probably only when Sigurd and Bryn's dialogue with each other, its totally wholesome.
    if this keeps on i may have to start sharing Altaris' sentiment


    although on the other hand, Ophelia's background is written more meaningfully then Kadoc's. Or maybe Kadoc's just have a boring past, iunno.


    Lastly, there is this one blurb that i think is left unexplained. Who was it that strengthen the kekkais in the villages and proclaim him/herself as a Chaldean? It never really got addressed afterwards. Or did i just missed it?
    Anw hopefully it does get addressed in future lostbelt.












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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    archiving piece meal lore bits i found interesting

    if these are already mentioned in previous pages, then uh nothing to see here
    Spoiler:


    so finally, FINALLY we got confirmation that Guda co is using talisman to bypass language barrier. I need that talisman


    the space within the shield is big enough for camping sets for at least 2 persons, inclusing rations and waters and all that. convenient


    Sitonai
    "Saint Graph out of the norm, Extra Classes. Different from how the normal Servants are."


    probs small thing but its a rough definition of extra classes




    Mashu
    "Orthenaus capabilities enlargement! Momentary output increase! -----Amalgam Gott!"


    this skill is essentially overclocking Orthenaus


    Caenis
    "Dont think that everything in Lostbelt is your ally, beast of beloved."
    Interesting way to call Koya. is kemono kemono or just alluding to capital B Beast (?)


    Da Vinci
    "THe great god engraved seal! The primal rune that had once existed in the age of the gods!?
    Even by rough estimation, the power exceeds moder rune by several hundreds fold! This is a magic of the age of the gods, exceedingly close to sorcery!
    Putting aside the fact that you're using a portion of it as a general magic, ig you genuinely unleash such a thing, even your saint graph will!"
    Fragment throwbacks (?)


    Bryn
    "This is a Noble Phantasm which kills only those appropriate for me to love, only owners of the soul worthy of brave warriors."
    just archiving what exactly, or maybe roughly, bryn's beloved qualification is


    "Wait, that should not be the case.
    Crypters contracts Heroic Spirit which is restricted to the "territory"..."
    basically a confirmation that barring weird shenanigans, crypters summons Lostbelt version of the heroes.





    ???
    "You, the
    crypter
    one who conceal
    , is most fitting to be the evangelist."
    incidentally,
    also no screenshot, but reviving the crypters apparently requires a toll to be paid, and also hell of a bitch of a agony, literal agony, to the one paying the toll. the problem is Kirschtaria was the only one able to communicate even in dying with the ??? entity, the rest is much closer to die for real. The ??? originally was only planning to rez Kirsch because he is unrivalled (muteki), but Kirchs argues that just because he's like that doesnt mean he is omniscient. Even if there is a percentage that the rest of the A team could do better than him, then that chance should be taken and the ??? should rez them as well. but the rest of the A-team cant pay the toll; so Kirchs paid for it, 7 times over
    Ophelia is the only one who gets to see that, because of her special sauce magan, and so know that Kirchs hides the fact that p much the rest of the Crypters owe loans to him. By all rights Kirchs is totally allowed to call on that debt and demand them to obey his decision, but for Kirchs that wont do because he wants competition to get the very best, not subordinate. THis, combines with how Ophelia already has respect for Kirchs to begin with, is what makes her so loyal to him.





    endcard uses cosmos denial with the kanji as fantasy felled (as in the tree of fantasy)
    i propose calling kuusouju Cosmos Tree from now on


    Holmes
    "Pay attention to his Noble Phantasm! Surt's Noble Phantasm is a divine forged armament, forged by the planet! It possesses the preferential right against all life! If one is a lifeform, then one would be destroyed even if one is a god of the age of the gods!"


    Scadi
    "The blade created in the planet. An equipment that tears off the reality known as the age of the gods from the surface of the planet. So much that there shall be nothing left after wards."


    Mashu
    "A divine forged, armament..."


    DV
    "A Noble Phantasm equals to even the
    Rhongomyniad
    Holy Spear
    ..."



    firesword awesome
    thats not to say all planet creation shinzou heiso has that preferential right, but its interesting how surt's instrument of ragnarok is one created by the planet itself, ranking equal to even rhongobongo


    "Your end was not like that of the Greek world, which was forgotten by the people; it was one of caring for the dying outline of the myth closing its own curtain by its own destruction."


    Greek god age ends is apparently by the people forgetting it.


    "And so, my sworn friend Zeus calls it as such: the Atlas World Tree.


    And Chaldeans. For you, this cosmos tree is the greatest of obstacle.


    My Lostbelt's cosmos tree's root had already topple 80% of the surface.
    Even if you fell the cosmos tree on theother Lostbelt, as long as the World Tree Atlas exist, the panhuman history shall never be once again."

    "I shall create it. A world that will never be toppled over, no matter how much the awareness of men seethes it. A sphere of existence that would never be broken even should it lose a part of it."
    Now the kanji is different, but this takes me back to how universe of awareness/awareness space works. So essentially i assume Kirchs' goal is making a steady world that isnt affected by awareness of the primes within it (?)


    Im fucking hype for Greek lostbelt now help

    "I have heard that, losing the sea god, now many heroic spirit of the panhuman history had manifested in the sea. DO go back to Lord Kirschtaria's side immediately with out breaking your journey."


    oh shit is poseidon gone
    also no SS but artemis be wreaking havoc


    "It only took less than half a year. For the Human Order to judge this Norse where gods and men do not walk.
    But impossible it may be, we persist to be for 3000 years.
    I know not for sure whether this contradiction, this miracle is by the power of the cosmos tree.
    However, my Norse have indeed live again in the present era, in this planet!"


    Lostbelt indeed shouldve gone poof pretty short time after its judged prunable, but maaaaybe the cosmos tree forcibly makes them go on on top of sewing them to the bleached planet

    Ophelia
    "That bizzare, gigantic sun is your...."


    Sigurd (not)
    "My true body.
    To be specific, its the great god's gaol imprisoning my body.
    Kuku. So magi of the panhuman history does not know of this? The flame country, the fire realm, the home town of the muspel, is my very body itself! Materializing for the sake of destruction, the flame of the end!"


    Muspelheim IS Surt's bod.


    "Have you forgotten?
    Im the sole hero of the Human Order in the Norse Lostbelt. Im tuned for fighting in Norse. Plus I got another trump card of my own!"

    "Heroic Spirits are mostly like that. We know in our head, but it's pretty hard to feel it for real.
    How much can I trust my own power? How much can I really test myself? Thats probably how I thought about it."



    literal boost from the human order
    also, Napoleon said that eireis difference in power between alive version and HS version may need some getting use if its too differentthis is probably particularly true for Napoleon, whose range of change is larger than most due to being literal Man of Possibility. There is this scene where he outright said that his current state as a Servant is taller and using a bigass canon that he definitely did not use during his life.



    "......I see. The resistance of panhuman history, is it."


    Scadi
    "That is what truly frightening about you. You have no Counter Force as an ally, yet still you display such a tightrope walking accomplishment. "

    the alaya is ded/dying and is really limited on interference
    panhuman history resistance =/= counterforce resistance (?)



    her eyes are jewel rank.
    no SS for this one, but it essentially do 3 things: it sees possibilities, and derived form that has the ability to halt a possibility comparable to halting something by pinning it down with a needle, and its a keystone that ties Surtr.
    btw im sad how we still dont know how exactly Sirius Light works, or what it even does exactly

    also i dditn get screenshot, but it is explained that Skadi is Scathach Skadi because Odin overlaps Skadi with a person connected to Skadi but not Skadi in order to conceal's surt's eyesSurt
    blame odin


    the reason we also beat scadi is because ontop of the support we are receiving to beat Surt, she had to maintain the icesnow to holdback Surt's bloodfire from expanding, healing the land, healing the people, protecting the land, the last three she had been doing continously for 3000 years bla bla bla, all adds up that the magic energy she has for fighting the Chaldeans is trifling.
    in a sense, we beat Scadi thanks to Surt.
    thanks Surt


    also Fou is very active in this lostbelt


    also the many instances of Gordolf is wholesome and gives the impression that he is actually a very decent person by normal standard, just that, or maybe in spite of, being raised in a traditional magi family. Im legit curious of how Musik family is in GO timeline


    also just a thought of why i find Anastasia better than Gotterdamerung
    P much all event in Anastasia is properly foreshadowed and everyone there has their use. Like, everythingjust fits nicely.
    In Gotterdamerung, most of the time it actually felt awkward. Like, somepart couldve been better foreshadowed, some part could have been made longer so we can chew on it more thoroughly. The more offending example for me is how Napoleon's sacrifice doesnt excite a response from me, simply because in the overall narration Napoleon wasnt written well enough for me to care about him, and his sacrifice is kinda out of nowhere. Another example is how Surt and Scadi's lost is too fastly written with not enough narrative preparation, unlike with Anastasia and particularyl Ivan where we get hammered again and again of how much a bitch an effort it is to finally beat them.
    The part where I genuinely went gaga is probably only when Sigurd and Bryn's dialogue with each other, its totally wholesome.
    if this keeps on i may have to start sharing Altaris' sentiment


    although on the other hand, Ophelia's background is written more meaningfully then Kadoc's. Or maybe Kadoc's just have a boring past, iunno.


    Lastly, there is this one blurb that i think is left unexplained. Who was it that strengthen the kekkais in the villages and proclaim him/herself as a Chaldean? It never really got addressed afterwards. Or did i just missed it?
    Anw hopefully it does get addressed in future lostbelt.












    Interesting stuff. Fingers crossed by the end of CitL we actually get an explanation about the whole "human awareness universe" and how far it actually reaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    archiving piece meal lore bits i found interesting

    if these are already mentioned in previous pages, then
    You got most of the interesting parts, good job. I also have something to add:
    Spoiler:
    - Surtr's sword. I think you should consider changing the translation a bit. Because 形ある生物 seems more specific than "lifeform", more like living creatures with body/flesh - proper life. I got this impression due to Valkyrie's NP being called Ragnarok Lifprasir - referencing the events of the survivors of Ragnarok. it blesses proper life 正しき生命 which I think is the direct opposite of Surtr's sword which burns what I assume to be also mean proper life. That also explains why it has chokushi for not-proper lifeform and effective against servants but servants are better to fight against Surtr's sword as they are not living creature but ether beings.

    - The first time we fight the seed of the tree, Mashu went on about how this thing does not exist in legend and so on, which Fou seems to very disagree. I think it's a hint that this "god of a different star" is more like "god of a different Earth".

    - Koyanskaya wants to add Skadi to her email friend group. Just throwing it out there as another proof of who she is.

    - Ophelia's parents seems to wanted her to reach the 6th element - Demon by using her Mystic Eye. She did asked if Surtr is a Demon (6th element) first time they linked.

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    Castor, thank you for the digest! Otsukaresama.
    Chapter 14 gave some more info on the mysterious wanderer.
    Instead of talking with Bryn on Shadow Border's roof, choose to get some rest. Napoleon will drop you a visit with some lore dumps and more clue on the wanderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post

    - Koyanskaya wants to add Skadi to her email friend group. Just throwing it out there as another proof of who she is.
    something2 either Guda is blind or he's a pleb who never uses Arts team something2

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    Quote Originally Posted by JellyfishMarine View Post
    Castor, thank you for the digest! Otsukaresama.
    Chapter 14 gave some more info on the mysterious wanderer.
    Instead of talking with Bryn on Shadow Border's roof, choose to get some rest. Napoleon will drop you a visit with some lore dumps and more clue on the wanderer.
    are you saying picking the girl gets me dumped by lores
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    What would she and Emiya even talk about?
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    Pick one


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    something2 either Guda is blind or he's a pleb who never uses Arts team something2

    KIZUKEYO AHO
    It's just proof that MY Guda is the canon Guda
    Who is Tamamo
    What is arts haha
    I'll never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Emiya-san chi kyou no gohan
    I thought the joke was that Emiya would never appear on the show.

    I thought the whole entire pen-pal thing was weird every since it came up in Fate/Extra. Like how would that work, do they have computers and internet in the Throne of Heroes?

    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    archiving piece meal lore bits i found interesting

    if these are already mentioned in previous pages, then uh nothing to see here
    Spoiler:


    so finally, FINALLY we got confirmation that Guda co is using talisman to bypass language barrier. I need that talisman


    the space within the shield is big enough for camping sets for at least 2 persons, inclusing rations and waters and all that. convenient


    Sitonai
    "Saint Graph out of the norm, Extra Classes. Different from how the normal Servants are."


    probs small thing but its a rough definition of extra classes




    Mashu
    "Orthenaus capabilities enlargement! Momentary output increase! -----Amalgam Gott!"


    this skill is essentially overclocking Orthenaus


    Caenis
    "Dont think that everything in Lostbelt is your ally, beast of beloved."
    Interesting way to call Koya. is kemono kemono or just alluding to capital B Beast (?)


    Da Vinci
    "THe great god engraved seal! The primal rune that had once existed in the age of the gods!?
    Even by rough estimation, the power exceeds moder rune by several hundreds fold! This is a magic of the age of the gods, exceedingly close to sorcery!
    Putting aside the fact that you're using a portion of it as a general magic, ig you genuinely unleash such a thing, even your saint graph will!"
    Fragment throwbacks (?)


    Bryn
    "This is a Noble Phantasm which kills only those appropriate for me to love, only owners of the soul worthy of brave warriors."
    just archiving what exactly, or maybe roughly, bryn's beloved qualification is


    "Wait, that should not be the case.
    Crypters contracts Heroic Spirit which is restricted to the "territory"..."
    basically a confirmation that barring weird shenanigans, crypters summons Lostbelt version of the heroes.





    ???
    "You, the
    crypter
    one who conceal
    , is most fitting to be the evangelist."
    incidentally,
    also no screenshot, but reviving the crypters apparently requires a toll to be paid, and also hell of a bitch of a agony, literal agony, to the one paying the toll. the problem is Kirschtaria was the only one able to communicate even in dying with the ??? entity, the rest is much closer to die for real. The ??? originally was only planning to rez Kirsch because he is unrivalled (muteki), but Kirchs argues that just because he's like that doesnt mean he is omniscient. Even if there is a percentage that the rest of the A team could do better than him, then that chance should be taken and the ??? should rez them as well. but the rest of the A-team cant pay the toll; so Kirchs paid for it, 7 times over
    Ophelia is the only one who gets to see that, because of her special sauce magan, and so know that Kirchs hides the fact that p much the rest of the Crypters owe loans to him. By all rights Kirchs is totally allowed to call on that debt and demand them to obey his decision, but for Kirchs that wont do because he wants competition to get the very best, not subordinate. THis, combines with how Ophelia already has respect for Kirchs to begin with, is what makes her so loyal to him.





    endcard uses cosmos denial with the kanji as fantasy felled (as in the tree of fantasy)
    i propose calling kuusouju Cosmos Tree from now on


    Holmes
    "Pay attention to his Noble Phantasm! Surt's Noble Phantasm is a divine forged armament, forged by the planet! It possesses the preferential right against all life! If one is a living creatures with a form, then one would be destroyed even if one is a god of the age of the gods!"


    Scadi
    "The blade created in the planet. An equipment that tears off the reality known as the age of the gods from the surface of the planet. So much that there shall be nothing left after wards."


    Mashu
    "A divine forged, armament..."


    DV
    "A Noble Phantasm equals to even the
    Rhongomyniad
    Holy Spear
    ..."



    firesword awesome
    thats not to say all planet creation shinzou heiso has that preferential right, but its interesting how surt's instrument of ragnarok is one created by the planet itself, ranking equal to even rhongobongo


    "Your end was not like that of the Greek world, which was forgotten by the people; it was one of caring for the dying outline of the myth closing its own curtain by its own destruction."


    Greek god age ends is apparently by the people forgetting it.


    "And so, my sworn friend Zeus calls it as such: the Atlas World Tree.


    And Chaldeans. For you, this cosmos tree is the greatest of obstacle.


    My Lostbelt's cosmos tree's root had already topple 80% of the surface.
    Even if you fell the cosmos tree on theother Lostbelt, as long as the World Tree Atlas exist, the panhuman history shall never be once again."

    "I shall create it. A world that will never be toppled over, no matter how much the awareness of men seethes it. A sphere of existence that would never be broken even should it lose a part of it."
    Now the kanji is different, but this takes me back to how universe of awareness/awareness space works. So essentially i assume Kirchs' goal is making a steady world that isnt affected by awareness of the primes within it (?)


    Im fucking hype for Greek lostbelt now help

    "I have heard that, losing the sea god, now many heroic spirit of the panhuman history had manifested in the sea. DO go back to Lord Kirschtaria's side immediately with out breaking your journey."


    oh shit is poseidon gone
    also no SS but artemis be wreaking havoc


    "It only took less than half a year. For the Human Order to judge this Norse where gods and men do not walk.
    But impossible it may be, we persist to be for 3000 years.
    I know not for sure whether this contradiction, this miracle is by the power of the cosmos tree.
    However, my Norse have indeed live again in the present era, in this planet!"


    Lostbelt indeed shouldve gone poof pretty short time after its judged prunable, but maaaaybe the cosmos tree forcibly makes them go on on top of sewing them to the bleached planet

    Ophelia
    "That bizzare, gigantic sun is your...."


    Sigurd (not)
    "My true body.
    To be specific, its the great god's gaol imprisoning my body.
    Kuku. So magi of the panhuman history does not know of this? The flame country, the fire realm, the home town of the muspel, is my very body itself! Materializing for the sake of destruction, the flame of the end!"


    Muspelheim IS Surt's bod.


    "Have you forgotten?
    Im the sole hero of the Human Order in the Norse Lostbelt. Im tuned for fighting in Norse. Plus I got another trump card of my own!"

    "Heroic Spirits are mostly like that. We know in our head, but it's pretty hard to feel it for real.
    How much can I trust my own power? How much can I really test myself? Thats probably how I thought about it."



    literal boost from the human order
    also, Napoleon said that eireis difference in power between alive version and HS version may need some getting use if its too differentthis is probably particularly true for Napoleon, whose range of change is larger than most due to being literal Man of Possibility. There is this scene where he outright said that his current state as a Servant is taller and using a bigass canon that he definitely did not use during his life.



    "......I see. The resistance of panhuman history, is it."


    Scadi
    "That is what truly frightening about you. You have no Counter Force as an ally, yet still you display such a tightrope walking accomplishment. "

    the alaya is ded/dying and is really limited on interference
    panhuman history resistance =/= counterforce resistance (?)



    her eyes are jewel rank.
    no SS for this one, but it essentially do 3 things: it sees possibilities, and derived form that has the ability to halt a possibility comparable to halting something by pinning it down with a needle, and its a keystone that ties Surtr.
    btw im sad how we still dont know how exactly Sirius Light works, or what it even does exactly

    also i dditn get screenshot, but it is explained that Skadi is Scathach Skadi because Odin overlaps Skadi with a person connected to Skadi but not Skadi in order to conceal's surt's eyes
    blame odin


    the reason we also beat scadi is because ontop of the support we are receiving to beat Surt, she had to maintain the icesnow to holdback Surt's bloodfire from expanding, healing the land, healing the people, protecting the land, the last three she had been doing continously for 3000 years bla bla bla, all adds up that the magic energy she has for fighting the Chaldeans is trifling.
    in a sense, we beat Scadi thanks to Surt.
    thanks Surt


    also Fou is very active in this lostbelt


    also the many instances of Gordolf is wholesome and gives the impression that he is actually a very decent person by normal standard, just that, or maybe in spite of, being raised in a traditional magi family. Im legit curious of how Musik family is in GO timeline


    also just a thought of why i find Anastasia better than Gotterdamerung
    P much all event in Anastasia is properly foreshadowed and everyone there has their use. Like, everythingjust fits nicely.
    In Gotterdamerung, most of the time it actually felt awkward. Like, somepart couldve been better foreshadowed, some part could have been made longer so we can chew on it more thoroughly. The more offending example for me is how Napoleon's sacrifice doesnt excite a response from me, simply because in the overall narration Napoleon wasnt written well enough for me to care about him, and his sacrifice is kinda out of nowhere. Another example is how Surt and Scadi's lost is too fastly written with not enough narrative preparation, unlike with Anastasia and particularyl Ivan where we get hammered again and again of how much a bitch an effort it is to finally beat them.
    The part where I genuinely went gaga is probably only when Sigurd and Bryn's dialogue with each other, its totally wholesome.
    if this keeps on i may have to start sharing Altaris' sentiment


    although on the other hand, Ophelia's background is written more meaningfully then Kadoc's. Or maybe Kadoc's just have a boring past, iunno.


    Lastly, there is this one blurb that i think is left unexplained. Who was it that strengthen the kekkais in the villages and proclaim him/herself as a Chaldean? It never really got addressed afterwards. Or did i just missed it?
    Anw hopefully it does get addressed in future lostbelt.
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    You got most of the interesting parts, good job. I also have something to add:
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    - Surtr's sword. I think you should consider changing the translation a bit. Because 形ある生物 seems more specific than "lifeform", more like living creatures with body/flesh - proper life. I got this impression due to Valkyrie's NP being called Ragnarok Lifprasir - referencing the events of the survivors of Ragnarok. it blesses proper life 正しき生命 which I think is the direct opposite of Surtr's sword which burns what I assume to be also mean proper life. That also explains why it has chokushi for not-proper lifeform and effective against servants but servants are better to fight against Surtr's sword as they are not living creature but ether beings.


    - The first time we fight the seed of the tree, Mashu went on about how this thing does not exist in legend and so on, which Fou seems to very disagree. I think it's a hint that this "god of a different star" is more like "god of a different Earth".


    - Koyanskaya wants to add Skadi to her email friend group. Just throwing it out there as another proof of who she is.


    - Ophelia's parents seems to wanted her to reach the 6th element - Demon by using her Mystic Eye. She did asked if Surtr is a Demon (6th element) first time they linked.

    Thanks and welcome back castor. Can't wait for the summary to touch on most of this stuff for context.
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    The only Tamamo Guda knows is the one committing adultery with Kintoki and jobbing to G-Solomon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    The only Tamamo Guda knows is the one committing adultery with Kintoki and jobbing to G-Solomon.
    Nope. Practicing honeymoon date with Kintoki to try it on her lover later =/= adultery. And 1 tail vs G-Solomon is not jobbing, it's one-sided stomp. Also that's not the only time they met in the main story, she was in the Time Temple with 3 tails fighting the pillars.

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    Emiya-san chi kyou no gohan
    Hmm she did ordered food from Emiya's cafeteria in Setsubun event so that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JellyfishMarine View Post
    Castor, thank you for the digest! Otsukaresama.
    Chapter 14 gave some more info on the mysterious wanderer.
    Instead of talking with Bryn on Shadow Border's roof, choose to get some rest. Napoleon will drop you a visit with some lore dumps and more clue on the wanderer.
    is it really chapter 14
    I haz a patreon please support onegai
    Finishing Apo 5 rn

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    is it really chapter 14
    I think it was Chapter 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    It's just proof that MY Guda is the canon Guda
    Who is Tamamo
    What is arts haha
    I'll never know
    Canon Guda has like, all the Servants. Just look at Garden of Order or Summers 1 and 2.
    shit BL says

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    You are not getting government-handout waifus.


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    ok found it, chapter 12 indeed

    welp thats p much nothing, but i guess its better than actually nothing

    the first that comes to mind is that David guy from LB1 prologue, but hmmmmmmmmmm

    really cant make any better guess at this point.
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