Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Well she was never a benevolent goddess

    Also a preview to where Strange Fake is going. I bet Narita is even more pissed now
    If Narita doesn't want for GO to keep stepping on his toes he should just hurry his sorry lazy ass already and finish the damn thing, it's long overdue. Not like he's writing War and Peace.

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    Narita can be salty about the bull and evil Ishtar all he want, I'm just glad to see that she finally acts true to her legend, so I have high hopes for evil Beast Tamamo in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post
    If Narita doesn't want for GO to keep stepping on his toes he should just hurry his sorry lazy ass already and finish the damn thing, it's long overdue. Not like he's writing War and Peace.
    He's said nothing so far, and sure let's rush the story like the masterpiece that was Fate/Apo, I'm sure that'll turn out great. You people are acting like he bitches about every single time F/GO references anything from F/SF, the only thing I've heard about it is that he bitches about Edison (something no one has been able to source so far) and that Enkidu's NP was poorly done in F/GO (something that's 100% true), aside from that eh even waited for Babylonia to be done so he could write the scenes with Ishtar better and there's been zero complains about anything F/GO related in his afterwords, something any of you would know if you actually read the novels.

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    To be honest if he did bitch everytime he is reference that would definitely be odd consisering how much stuff he references so I'm sure it be fine.
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    What's more, Nasu actually asked Narita on which moment he should throw the Prelati hints. So he's not totally irresponsible nor disrespect him.

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    SF gets an upcoming apocalyptic kaiju raid battle and we get to poke its poorly textured hoof

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    I don't think Strange/Fake is that much better than Apocrypha. S/F benefits from having an easier to develop, harder to screw over, format, but Apocrypha had more potential, overall better ideas (even if clumsier execution), and even a better sense of world building IMHO. Servants-wise is a tossup, overall the quality of the S/F Servants as characters is far more consistent but they still aren't as memorable as those of Stay/Night, Zero or Extra, I think.

    I've never said Strange/Fake is bad, but it feels like it's taking more time to end up already than it's worth anyway.

    By the way, before this Event is shelved away, wow but Raikou is the worst here. I just hate that kind of character type, the nosy 'holier-than-thou's who feel like they're naturally fated to police what everyone else do with their own lives and then procceed to bully all over others while completely oblivious to their own transgressions. Even worse when the story treats them as unstoppable. I get it's supposed to be played for laughs but I didn't find it funny at all, just grating. Especially given the other teams' gags all landed well for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post
    I don't think Strange/Fake is that much better than Apocrypha. S/F benefits from having an easier to develop, harder to screw over, format, but Apocrypha had more potential, overall better ideas (even if clumsier execution), and even a better sense of world building IMHO. .
    I'm gonna need you to back up those statements because aside from the introduction of Ruler servants I don't see any concept that's more interesting than literally any of the servants in F/SF, hell even Enkidu is more interesting concept wise, despite him having done nothing, on account of his master being a literal wolf.

    "S/F benefits from having an easier to develop, harder to screw over, forma"

    If you mean the way the stories are laid out then I'd say that Apo had the easiest format out of all Fate spinoffs so far, given that it was literally a two team battle and they still managed to drop the ball on that one amazingly.

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    I almost hope that Narita does whine about Gugalanna being used here first.

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    He would have been screwed if Isthar was able to find the original Bull again, but the Bull being forever lost means that Narita can do whatever he wants with it. So if anything he is probably glad.

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    Writing two different factions is, on itself, a more challenging and complicated issue than writing several people randomly distributed all attacking each other, because then you need to establish a set of much closer interactions between two well populated groups of people. In something like Stay Night, you can get by just fine by never having, for instance, Shinji and Kouzuki interact to any truly meaningful degree, but in a two-camp based storytelling, you have to write tight dynamics and politics between two different sets of people. Apocrypha, both because of lack of perceived room and time and because of the writers' own choice possibily partially based on inability, chooses to sort of 'cheat' on the subject by having a single Faction that works like that, with the other being a circus pretty much ran by a single ringmaster. That's where I think it comes short on this regard.

    I'm mostly indifferent to the Nasuverse's take on Enkidu, I find him mostly bland and uninteresting, and I believe much more should have done with the source material. I'd have prefered a stronger, more marked personality to match Gilgamesh's; in the myth, at times, Enkidu was the actual hothead of the duo, as when Gil wanted to spare that giant guardian and Enkidu pushed him to kill him anyway. And the wolf thing doesn't amount to much either, I think; even Grand Order does better with the notion of an animal as a participant in a Grail War with Lobo.

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    Tbf gil probs got like thrice or more screen time and this character foundation than enkidu during this 15 years

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    Anw i sure hope either GO or fsf explains more about human history or stuffs says no for good at go ishtarin unable to ever get the bull again
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post

    I'm mostly indifferent to the Nasuverse's take on Enkidu, I find him mostly bland and uninteresting, and I believe much more should have done with the source material. I'd have prefered a stronger, more marked personality to match Gilgamesh's; in the myth, at times, Enkidu was the actual hothead of the duo, as when Gil wanted to spare that giant guardian and Enkidu pushed him to kill him anyway. And the wolf thing doesn't amount to much either, I think; even Grand Order does better with the notion of an animal as a participant in a Grail War with Lobo.
    Probably hard to think otherwise with such limited screen time and most of his character just relates to Gll anyway.

    Just about the only interesting thing about him is that despite appearing cordial, its implied he's not playing with a full deck. Hopefully the writers stop being overly conservative and that ends up getting elaborated on; you can't be Gil's friend without having an extremity / a few screws loose yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Narita can be salty about the bull and evil Ishtar all he want, I'm just glad to see that she finally acts true to her legend, so I have high hopes for evil Beast Tamamo in the future.
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    I'd prefer it if Nero and Tamamo weren't Beasts, and we had a couple of new characters in their places.

    Anyway, it's not too big a deal. My main concern is that if the Extra duo are Beasts, their designs will invariably be ridiculously fanservicey and will make them look stupid instead of intimidating.

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    Also more Nero wank is bad civilization
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    I would like to see Tamamo's nine-tailed fox form but I hope the design will be beautiful instead of intimidating like Kurama or Hakumen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Also more Nero wank is bad civilization
    Definitely, yes.

    I hope that if Tamamo/Amaterasu appears as Beast tho, that she just has her regular Amaterasu clothes and not some new, hip outfit. For Nero I'd kinda prefer if the Whore of Babylon was very far removed from her but oh well...
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