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    Ah my bad, I had to reread a particular sentence in Holmes' Baritsu to double check, but it's not that he has a special move when he releases his own Noble Phantasm, but it is that the special move he has is on the class/rank of a Noble Phantasm's true name release.

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    I believe we all have been waiting for this...

    Sherlock Holmes
    世界最高にして唯一の顧問探偵。
    探偵という概念の結晶、"明かす者"の代表。
    19~20世紀にサー・アーサー・コナン・ドイルが著した物語の主人公であり、あらゆる謎を解き明かす探偵 であり、後年における数多の推理小説に登場する「探偵」たちの祖のひとり───とされるが。
    その実態は如何に?

    身長/体重:183cm・65kg
    出典:シャーロック・ホームズシリーズ
    地域:イギリス、全世界
    属性:中立・善  性別:男性
    仮に彼が物語から発生したとすれば、ドイルの小説だけでなくパスティーシュまで含んでいる可能性がある…… とカルデア職員談

    思案的かつ行動的、大胆かつ緻密。
    そして冷静沈着な男。
    如何なる謎も、犯罪も、陰謀も、ホームズの目から逃れる事は出来ない。恐るべき殺人者であろうと、いにしえ の呪いであろうと、闇夜の怪物であろうと、超国家規模の秘密結社であろうと、彼はすべてを明らかにして── ─必要とあらば打ち倒す。真実という鋭い剣によって。

    その在り方は最早、人の域を超えて、“賢き者”“明かす者”の具現でさえある。

    ○天賦の見識:A++
    物事の本質を捉える能力。鋭い観察眼はあらゆる情報を見逃すことがない。
    原理はまったく異なるものだが千里眼による未来予知にも等しい先読みを行う。

    ○バリツ:B++
    極めて実戦向きの東洋武術を習得している。
    シャーロック・ホームズはこのスキルとボクシング組み合わせた打撃術を用いる他、カウンターや投げも得意と する。
    条件が揃えば宝具の真名解放級の絶技としても用いられるが……

    『初歩的なことだ、友よ』
    ランク:B 種別:対人宝具/対界宝具
    エレメンタリー・マイ・ディア。
    サーヴァントとして現界したシャーロック・ホームズが得た宝具。自らの起源である『解明』を宝具として昇華 させたモノ。
    立ち向かう謎が真に解明不可能な存在であったとしても、必ず、真実に辿り着くための手掛かりや道筋が「発生 」する。
    たとえば鍵の失われた宝箱があったとしても、鍵は「失われていない」ことになり、世界のどこかで必ず見つけ 出せるようになる。
    (ただし、さすがに手の中に突然発生したりはしない。どこかに在るそれを、ホームズないし協力者が発見せね ばならない)

    本来は常時発動型の宝具だが、
    『Fate/GO』では真名開放を行う。
    真名解放時には正体不明の「球体」が出現し、まばゆい光を周囲一帯に放出。敵陣を弱体化させ、自陣を強化す る。倒せないはずの相手でも、倒すための道筋をホームズは見出す。

    なお、この真名はホームズにまつわる有名な言葉の一つだが、実際に彼のものとして初出したのはドイルの小説 ではなくウィリアム・ジレット主演・脚本・演出の舞台劇である。ドイルはジレットの演じるホームズを「自分 の小説以上だ」と賞賛したという。
    ちなみに、ドイルの短編『背中の曲がった男』の中ではワトソンに対して
    「初歩さ(“Elementary.”)」
    とホームズが発言しており、ここからジレットは着想を得たとされる。

    英霊ホームズは、彼のモデルとして伝えられるジョセフ・ベル博士やドイル自身、そして世界最古の探偵ヴィド ックの似姿───
    等ではなく、一連の小説作品における主人公(としか思えない言動の人物)として現界する。

    はたしてシャーロック・ホームズの物語はサー・ドイルが生み出した完全な創作なのか、あるいは実在したホー ムズの伝奇物語としてジョン・H・ワトソン医師が記したものなのか、それともその折衷か?
    少なくともホームズ自身は理解しているはずだが、自分から口にすることはなく、話題が及べば何度でも軽やか にはぐらかしてしまうのだった。
    Sherlock Holmes

    The world’s sole and greatest consulting detective.
    The crystallization of the concept of detective; the representative of “those who reveal”.
    The protagonist of the stories that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote in the 19th~20th Century, he is a detective who explains all enigmas and one of the ancestors of the “detectives” that appear on the many mystery novels of later years—--
    Or so it is assumed.
    But what is really the truth?

    Thoughtful and yet dynamic. Bold and yet precise.
    And also a calm, level-headed man.
    No sort of enigma, crime and conspiracy can escape Holmes’ sight. Be that a fearsome murderer, an ancient curse, a monster of the dark night or a supranational secret society; he shall disclose them all--- and defeat them if necessary. By means of a sharp sword called truth.

    That way of being has already exceeded the realms of men, and is already the embodiment of a “wise one”, “one who reveals”.

    Heroic Spirit Holmes is the fake resemblance of Dr. Joseph Bell (his model), Doyle himself, and the world oldest detective, Vidocq---
    Not. He manifest as the protagonist of a novel series (or so we are lead to believe by his behavior).

    In the end, is the story of Sherlock Holmes a literary creation invented by Sir Doyle, or something written down by Dr. John H. Watson as a romantic tale about the real Holmes, or maybe even a blend between these two?
    At the very least, Holmes himself should know this. But he never speaks of it himself, and constantly evades the subject in a non-serious way whenever it comes up.

    Height/Weight: 183cm・65kg
    Source: Sherlock Holmes Series
    Region: England, the whole world
    Alignment: Neutral Good
    Gender: Male
    For argument’s sake, if he was really originated from the stories, then there is a possibility of not only Doyle’s novels but also its pastiches having been included... according to the Chaldea staff’s gossips.

    Innate Discernment: A++
    The ability to perceive the true nature of things. His sharp eyes for observation will not overlook any sort of information. Although their principles are completely different, this can read into the future in a way that is similar to the future prediction of Clairvoyance.

    Baritsu: B++
    Learned an Oriental martial arts that is extremely real combat-oriented.
    Other than employing striking techniques that combine this skill with boxing, Sherlock Holmes also have counters and grappling throws as his forte.
    If the conditions are right, he can even employ a special move that is in par with the release of True Name of a Noble Phantasm, but...

    NOBLE PHANTASM

    Elementary, My Dear - This is an Elementary Matter, My Friend

    Rank: B
    Type: Anti-Unit/Anti-World
    The Noble Phantasm that Sherlock Holmes acquired upon manifesting as a Servant. His Origin - “Elucidation” - sublimated as a Noble Phantasm.
    Even if the enigma he faces is truly an existence that cannot be explained, clues and paths for reaching the truth will always “appear”.
    Even if there was a treasure chest whose key has been lost, said key will turn out to be “not lost”, and would certainly be possible to locate it somewhere in the world.
    (However, as expected, it will not suddenly appear in his hands. Either Holmes or his collaborators must find it, wherever it may be).

    Originally a constantly active-type of Noble Phantasm, but release of True Name is performed in “Fate/GO”.
    Upon release of True Name, an unidentified “sphere” appears, emitting a dazzling light on the surroundings. It weakens the enemy camp and strengthens the ally camp. Even an against an unbeatable opponent, Holmes will discover a path to defeat him.

    Also, its True Name is one of the famous words associated with Holmes, yet the first instance in which it was attributed to him was not on Doyle’s novels, but actually the stage play produced・scripted・starred by William Gillette. It has been said that Doyle praised the Holmes played by Gillete as “surpassing my novels”.
    Incidentally, the common assumption is that Gillete conceived it based on Holmes’ “elementary” remark towards Watson from Doyle’s short story - “The Adventure of the Crooked Man”.
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    So one of the most famous words associated with Sherlock Holmes didn't come from the original novels. I learned something new today.
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    He was never actually described as wearing a deerstalker hat either, even though that is probably the single most iconic visual motif associated with him.

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    hahaha wow Holmes is a shorty

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    seriously, 158cm? Wear some lifts, dude
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    hahaha wow Holmes is a shorty

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    seriously, 158cm? Wear some lifts, dude
    That's a mistake. It says 183cm in the profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    hahaha wow Holmes is a shorty

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    seriously, 158cm? Wear some lifts, dude
    Think it might be a typo cause the jp profile says 183cm.

    Also I wonder if Holmes being released now means he'll be a helper in Chapter 3. I'd hope so, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinode View Post
    He was never actually described as wearing a deerstalker hat either, even though that is probably the single most iconic visual motif associated with him.
    Really? Well, how did they get connected to each other then?
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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    See, that makes much more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyton View Post
    That's a mistake. It says 183cm in the profile.
    Right, sorry about that. Fixed already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Really? Well, how did they get connected to each other then?
    Because artistic rendering/live performances of him use it.

    The same thing as his pipe. He's often associated with the calabash but that was just because actors who performed him found it easy to hold that pipe in their mouth. The actual book depictions never have him use one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Because artistic rendering/live performances of him use it.

    The same thing as his pipe. He's often associated with the calabash but that was just because actors who performed him found it easy to hold that pipe in their mouth. The actual book depictions never have him use one.
    T-the pipe too.. Oh, and thanks to everyone who translated his profile.
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    If were going to list popular public associations that was not in the original stories than you can probably put in as well the Sherlock/Moriarty rivalry considering that Moriarty was only really like in 2 Sherlock Holmes stories and is not the everpresent Arch-nemesis that the media presents him to be.
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    A lot of Sherlock's information and arts are referenicial to his media portrayals. Wouldn't be surprised at all if even cumberbatch contributed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    If were going to list popular public associations that was not in the original stories than you can probably put in as well the Sherlock/Moriarty rivalry considering that Moriarty was only really like in 2 Sherlock Holmes stories and is not the everpresent Arch-nemesis that the media presents him to be.
    Yeah but the stories themselves set up Moriarty as a big deal unlike any other antagonist. Doyle also made that parallelism between Moriarty and Holmes to create someone to kill Holmes, as it was needed someone on his level to do it. It's funny because Doyle was forced to bring Holmes back years later by rabid fans anyway.

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    Revelation is being told the best way possible to accomplish something possible. "This is how you should roll the dice to get a six"
    Pioneer is being able to do the impossible. Like rolling a 7 on a six sided dice.
    Elementary my dear is figuring out the way to perform the impossible. "By doing this is you will roll a 7 on a six sided dice."
    Makes me wonder what the limitations of it are, Figure out how to do something blatently impossible under nasu rules like make X thing regain mystery or just gain it.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    probably something like just because you know what you need to do to accomplish your impossible or not goal doesn't mean you're guaranteed to be able to do it,if i had to guess

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