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    Damn it Taku's looks nicer than mine.

    As I said earlier, it all makes perfect sense if you ignore what the words used all actually mean.

    You can't have multiple timelines coexisting in the same universe. Hitler can't both have died in the cradle and conquered half of Europe, for example. One of them is true at any given time, and other possibilities that may or may not have occured get shunted into parallel universes.

    An outside observer (like, say, us) can read a story about a timeline where Hitler died in the cradle and then read a story about a timeline where Hitler conquered the world, but only one of these infinite possibilities can be recorded in our history books as "true".

    Now for objection number 2: In order for Quantum Timelocks to be a thing, you need An Entity, whatever it is, that can observe all these potentially infinite timelines at once, decide which ones it does and doesn't like, and stop observing the rest. (You can't "prune" them unless you're telling me this entity actually goes into each timeline's alternate universe and erases everything Goetia-style). Logically this entity would then have to be omniscient and, if the pruning thing holds true, then pretty close to omnipotent as well (or at least a universe buster).

    Also, the whole Human Order thing is supposed to be something that applies to the World (which apparently in Nasuspeak means "pretty much just Earth", because the other planets in the Solar System have their own TYPEs and thus presumably their own Primate Order). So it being "gone" should logically only affect the Earth, not the entire universe, and it certainly would have no business tampering with the timeline of that entire universe.


    Still, I appreciate the pretty diagram, because I was actually getting fired up to do something similar on paper and denounced it as too much work.
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    what if the world, like, observes itself man *takes a drag from my marijuana cigarette*

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    But what does it mean? NGL some recreational drugs might actually help me understand or at least stop giving a fuck about this whole mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    As I said earlier, it all makes perfect sense if you ignore what the words used all actually mean.
    Yes, and we've been doing that from the beginning. You're the one who come in and objection shit about the usage of a term in a fictional work within the context of that work. Maybe stop trying to bring the so-called "actual meaning" from RL here to complain and you'll feel better.

    Now for objection number 2: In order for Quantum Timelocks to be a thing, you need An Entity, whatever it is, that can observe all these potentially infinite timelines at once, decide which ones it does and doesn't like, and stop observing the rest. (You can't "prune" them unless you're telling me this entity actually goes into each timeline's alternate universe and erases everything Goetia-style). Logically this entity would then have to be omniscient and, if the pruning thing holds true, then pretty close to omnipotent as well (or at least a universe buster).
    Which is already hinted at in Extella itself. Heck it was already said in CCC that higher dimension beings with the viewpoint of God can observe all of these different events like reading a book, beyond the time axis like BB, Golden Fox...etc. Don't see what your point is when you are repeating what was already implied to be the case. The only problem left to find out is who the fuck is this entity that created all these rules in the first place. My vote for the Root and then it applies to each respective planets. But then who or what create the root which contained these rules lel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    As I said earlier, it all makes perfect sense if you ignore what the words used all actually mean.

    You can't have multiple timelines coexisting in the same universe. Hitler can't both have died in the cradle and conquered half of Europe, for example. One of them is true at any given time, and other possibilities that may or may not have occured get shunted into parallel universes.

    An outside observer (like, say, us) can read a story about a timeline where Hitler died in the cradle and then read a story about a timeline where Hitler conquered the world, but only one of these infinite possibilities can be recorded in our history books as "true".

    Now for objection number 2: In order for Quantum Timelocks to be a thing, you need An Entity, whatever it is, that can observe all these potentially infinite timelines at once, decide which ones it does and doesn't like, and stop observing the rest. (You can't "prune" them unless you're telling me this entity actually goes into each timeline's alternate universe and erases everything Goetia-style). Logically this entity would then have to be omniscient and, if the pruning thing holds true, then pretty close to omnipotent as well (or at least a universe buster).

    Also, the whole Human Order thing is supposed to be something that applies to the World (which apparently in Nasuspeak means "pretty much just Earth", because the other planets in the Solar System have their own TYPEs and thus presumably their own Primate Order). So it being "gone" should logically only affect the Earth, not the entire universe, and it certainly would have no business tampering with the timeline of that entire universe.


    Still, I appreciate the pretty diagram, because I was actually getting fired up to do something similar on paper and denounced it as too much work.
    No no no. Again, youre misunderstanding things.

    Youre trying to apply parallel universe theory to a universe of human awareness.

    Theres no parallel universe here. There's a universe of human awareness, and the worldlines within it created by human's choices.

    Universe in your definition is one bigass thing. But the branching of human order is the branching of human awareness.

    Its called Human Order for the very reason that it encompasses human's awareness.

    Yes, there is an Entity that observes the timeline and empty the energy from the ones that strays too far from the main branch. Its the World (sekai toiu mono: 世界というもの. Extella so much as said it. Observation does not matter here; if its classified as prune target, its pruned.

    Yes, a pruned timeline would only affect the place human stays, aka Earth, because we are still within the universe of human awareness.

    Human Order is a branching of human's choices. The branching of human order is the branching of worldlines of human awareness.

    Did you actually read Extella man
    You sound like you dont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Yes, and we've been doing that from the beginning. You're the one who come in and objection shit about the usage of a term in a fictional work within the context of that work. Maybe stop trying to bring the so-called "actual meaning" from RL here to complain and you'll feel better.


    Which is already hinted at in Extella itself. Heck it was already said in CCC that higher dimension beings with the viewpoint of God can observe all of these different events like reading a book, beyond the time axis like BB, Golden Fox...etc. Don't see what your point is when you are repeating what was already implied to be the case. The only problem left to find out is who the fuck is this entity that created all these rules in the first place. My vote for the Root and then it applies to each respective planets. But then who or what create the root which contained these rules lel.
    Actually, I was pretty satisfied to leave it at "Nasuverse rules I ain't gotta explain shit". But since people were so kind as to try to analyse the whole thing for me, it would be remiss of me not to outline exactly what I found wrong about the whole thing.

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    No no no. Again, youre misunderstanding things.

    Youre trying to apply parallel universe theory to a universe of human awareness.

    Theres no parallel universe here. There's a universe of human awareness, and the worldlines within it created by human's choices.

    Universe in your definition is one bigass thing. But the branching of human order is the branching of human awareness.

    Its called Human Order for the very reason that it encompasses human's awareness.

    Yes, there is an Entity that observes the timeline and empty the energy from the ones that strays too far from the main branch. Its the World (sekai toiu mono: 世界というもの. Extella so much as said it. Observation does not matter here; if its classified as prune target, its pruned.

    Yes, a pruned timeline would only affect the place human stays, aka Earth, because we are still within the universe of human awareness.

    Human Order is a branching of human's choices. The branching of human order is the branching of worldlines of human awareness.

    Did you actually read Extella man
    You sound like you dont.
    I did read it, but I'm pretty sure "the universe is only what humans perceive" wasn't mentioned there. Quantum timelocks and pruning were, with the implication (as far as I can remember at least) that it was something the Moon Cell was doing directly.
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    "the universe here is only what humans perceive, aka the universe of awareness" is in CCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    "the universe here is only what humans perceive, aka the universe of awareness" is in CCC.
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    btw, I wonder what NA is planning with CCC event

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    I miss the days when contrarians like Tophat or Dartz were actually entertaining even when they were wrong.


    ^: CCC event is pretty self-contained. I highly doubt they'd localize CCC. Most likely just gonna do it like Gudaguda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    I miss the days when contrarians like Tophat or Dartz were actually entertaining even when they were wrong.


    ^: CCC event is pretty self-contained. I highly doubt they'd localize CCC. Most likely just gonna do it like Gudaguda
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    btw, I wonder what NA is planning with CCC event
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