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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian Pharaoh View Post
    Well, yeah, because then how do you explain those Berserkers with E-rank stats?
    As for how to explain Berserkers with E rank stats. Usually when you summon a Servant in a different class you summon a different aspect of that servant. Eg Berserkerlot and Saberlot.
    As celenik puts it in Apo these are two separate pages from one book.
    No two pages are going to be the same, therefore two different aspects of a Heroic Spirit are going to have different abilities.
    There are times when the pages are similiar enough that the stats themselves are not different. Eg Young Lancer Li and Young Assassin Li.
    Therefore E rank stats for Berserkers make senses when you consider that you're not summoning something that was given Mad Enhancement. You're summoning a page that has it.
    There is no reason to imagine a Servant without the Mad Enhancement boost because the Mad Enhancement is what makes the Berserker a Berserker.
    That is, it doesn't matter what is one rank under E rank just like it doesn't matter what is one rank over A rank (it's not A+ nor EX) because the Berserker in Berserker form has E rank.

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    i can understand his confusion tho

    since ME is by definition, a stat boost, hed want to know which part is the "boost"

    i just chalked it up to ME EX Kiyo is unique, but maybe it doesnt matter
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    I dont get it

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    Well don't some ranks of ME only give partial boost. I mean at C it doesn't up Luck or Mana and at D it only does Strength and Endurance. So at EX, I can only imagine the stat boost varies since the effect on personality is already different from the usual loss of reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    i just chalked it up to ME EX Kiyo is unique, but maybe it doesnt matter
    Asterios has E rank LUK with ME B
    Darius has E rank MGI with ME B
    Tamamo Cat has E rank CON with ME C.

    Its a question worth considering but not something you should obsess over

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    Poor Darius would drain a Master even more than Lancelot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Asterios has E rank LUK with ME B
    Darius has E rank MGI with ME B
    Tamamo Cat has E rank CON with ME C.

    Its a question worth considering but not something you should obsess over
    What if the effect of ME varies from Servant to Servant? Some may get an all the listed parameters boosted, others may get skewed parameters boosted. IE: Given that Darius has never been a magecraft or ever casted magic, not getting a boost in his MGI is actually alright?

    EDIT: Well, this is assuming that Darius can never use magic or has zero aptitude for magic in the first place. Like, if Asterios' LUK is essentially rock bottom no matter what, any boost to it is still going to be rock bottom. Well, I don't know of any Servant with stat values of E- so maybe a good example would make this theory break down? What I'm saying is that if the Servant has a value of 0, adding 1 onto 0 does not equal 2 (which is the requirement for the stat sheet to display the higher rank).

    EDIT 2: Since stats ranks are essentially 'category placements', we can always assume that the value in the stat rank E can essentially be lower than expected. A stat rank of E can actually have a numerical value of 1~19 and not reach rank D.
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    ME has gone a long way, and i dont think im fine with it
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it

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    The callousness with which you people treat RPG power-level data is frankly disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manafusion View Post
    EDIT 2: Since stats ranks are essentially 'category placements', we can always assume that the value in the stat rank E can essentially be lower than expected. A stat rank of E can actually have a numerical value of 1~19 and not reach rank D.
    yes this is true a rank is a "broad conceptual representation of a numerical value"
    Person Z's A rank can be less than Person Y's A rank or mean different things.
    E rank is is not 1~19 though. The E rank minimum is 10.
    A rank up is also +10.

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    For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. In that case, E would be 10. And, every rank after that adds another 10, all the way up to A, which is 50.
    All the ME descriptions say rank up. So it's +10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manafusion View Post
    What if the effect of ME varies from Servant to Servant? Some may get an all the listed parameters boosted, others may get skewed parameters boosted. IE: Given that Darius has never been a magecraft or ever casted magic, not getting a boost in his MGI is actually alright?

    EDIT: Well, this is assuming that Darius can never use magic or has zero aptitude for magic in the first place. Like, if Asterios' LUK is essentially rock bottom no matter what, any boost to it is still going to be rock bottom. Well, I don't know of any Servant with stat values of E- so maybe a good example would make this theory break down? What I'm saying is that if the Servant has a value of 0, adding 1 onto 0 does not equal 2 (which is the requirement for the stat sheet to display the higher rank).
    B rank ME says that all parameters are ranked up. The skill descriptions describes the parameters that are boosted as well as how much they're boosted by "a rank."
    The MGI stat is a measure of how much magical energy a Servant can handle. That's why some non-Caster servants can have very high MGIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    How do you explain those Casters with B/B++ ranked STR, those Sabers with E ranked STR, those Assassins with A ranked STR?
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    I shouldnt think too harda about this until some canon explanation shows up, right
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian Pharaoh View Post
    The callousness with which you people treat RPG power-level data is frankly disgusting.
    still not as bad as your never having read a single TM work

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewarmo990 View Post
    still not as bad as your never having read a single TM work
    It was a joke, man. Chill.

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    was also kinda joking, but yeah my bad.

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    I hate it when that happens. It's cool anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    yes this is true a rank is a "broad conceptual representation of a numerical value"
    Person Z's A rank can be less than Person Y's A rank or mean different things.
    E rank is is not 1~19 though. The E rank minimum is 10.
    A rank up is also +10.



    All the ME descriptions say rank up. So it's +10.

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    B rank ME says that all parameters are ranked up. The skill descriptions describes the parameters that are boosted as well as how much they're boosted by "a rank."
    The MGI stat is a measure of how much magical energy a Servant can handle. That's why some non-Caster servants can have very high MGIs.
    So, what? Servants can never have stat values below 10? Is that a thing? From the way I read it, it's just using numerical values to illustrate how the ranking system works. I mean, we also have numerical value illustration for Shirou and Rin yet Shirou can do things far beyond usual limits. Simply put, it's an 'easy to digest' method of understanding ranks without going deeper into how the value in the rank can vary. So, having a Servant at rank E then gets rank-boosted to E simply means that it still has the value of 10 added to a sub-10 value which does make them stronger but doesn't improve the general rank.

    ... That's how I logically equated it. I'm gonna stop here. Continuing on about individual understandings without game dev (Nasu) input to properly clarify things makes it a headache. Also, thanks for clarifying MGI stat. I completely forgot about what it does.
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    Back to the important topic of RPG stats...
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    considering we know now that ME isn't something that can be turned off
    Where is this bit of info mentioned exactly?

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    I think ilya mentioned or did something that let people get that idea, maybe anime only.
    Tho iirc that particular action was enhancing Herk's ME, correct me if I'm wrong.
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    I think it was FSN/Realta Nua that first suggested it.

    Nothing's really changed. You just can't completely shut ME off, but you can feed it more power.

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    Just a reminder to English readers that the actual skill name, 狂化, literally means "maddening." It's the skill description which tells you that it also boosts physical parameters.

    The wrinkle here is that it's pronounced kyouka which is also how you pronounce 強化, "reinforcement/strengthening," and that is probably intentional.

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    that's why "Mad Enhancement" caught on as an early translation, since it covers both aspects, even if it isn't a literal translation.

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