Fate/Apocrypha Material Translation

[EDreamer]

Also, I almost forgot, here's the image that accompanied the Berserker of Red entry, for those who haven't seen the scans:

http://imgur.com/jTdbTOq

Berserker: I ask thee. Are you my Master?
Shirou: What!?

[Sunny]

Broadly speaking, out of a hundred Holy Grails made, ninety-five of them get stalled due to setbacks in the midst of constructing them, and out of the remaining finished five Grails, four end up incomplete and explode while prana is poured into them. The last remaining Grail out of them all manages to work properly, but the ritual is degraded in quality and cannot be compared to the one in Fuyuki.

Welp, that explains most RPs I've been in.

(Snowfield for the last, I guess?)

[You]

they got some grail mats for snowfield though.
equivalent of getting some of nasu's help for your rp then.

[Sesto]

Broadly speaking, out of a hundred Holy Grails made, ninety-five of them get stalled due to setbacks in the midst of constructing them, and out of the remaining finished five Grails, four end up incomplete and explode while prana is poured into them. The last remaining Grail out of them all manages to work properly, but the ritual is degraded in quality and cannot be compared to the one in Fuyuki.

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Varying from those with only two Servants to wars with five Servants which,

shittttt, i thought "most only summoning five servants" from f/a implied some might have seven, not that the other ones had even less. what kind of scrub even makes a grail war with two servants you're pathetic stop being a magus and get a real job

[Mcjon01]

I'm envisioning a Grail war with one Servant who got summoned just so the magus could talk to somebody without leaving his basement.

[Rafflesiac]

I wonder who the hero would be with a lifetime of enough bad decisions to even bother springing for that.

[Sesto]

Achilles thinks that it is his fault for overlooking Atalanta’s transformation while engrossed in his own battle. He fought her in her rampage as a way of atonement. Achilles cried out of guilt for having crushed Atalanta’s dream.
But I’d like to think that it was that very naivety and tears of her that granted Atalanta a small measure of salvation at the very end.

cute

[Zenieth]

I wonder who the hero would be with a lifetime of enough bad decisions to even bother springing for that.

Orpheus

[Corbeck]

The small Holy Grail Wars that have been recklessly happening everywhere since several decades ago in the “Apocrypha” world. Varying from those with only two Servants to wars with five Servants which, though inferior in scale to Fuyuki, are still considerably large conflicts, all kinds of Holy Grails Wars are brightly, happily and violently taken place throughout the world.
This is because, after the Third Holy Grail War, Darnic disseminated information on the structure of the Holy Grail War, which normally should have been concealed at all costs, to other magi in order to forestall them from searching for the Holy Grail that he had stolen.
Even for magi who lament over how the Root is just a distant fairy tale, once they learned that they could take a step… or perhaps even just half a step towards reaching it through this ritual, they ended up desperately creating Holy Grails of their own.
Broadly speaking, out of a hundred Holy Grails made, ninety-five of them get stalled due to setbacks in the midst of constructing them, and out of the remaining finished five Grails, four end up incomplete and explode while prana is poured into them. The last remaining Grail out of them all manages to work properly, but the ritual is degraded in quality and cannot be compared to the one in Fuyuki.

So after stealing the grail did Darnic like sold the blueprint of the holy grail, and mini HGW started happening aroud the world b4 the start of apocrypha timeline?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Uh, this is news?

However, that all changed by the third Holy Grail War. The Second World War likely had an effect, as due to the intervention of various nations, the Holy Grail War of Fuyuki ended in unusual circumstances. At the same time, information on the system behind this Grail War propagated throughout the magi of the world.

It was proof of how superior the Holy Grail War ritual constructed by the three great families of Einzbern, Makiri and Tohsaka was.

To pose a what-if question to this moment of history: what if the third Holy Grail War did not expand to such a scale? This Holy Grail War would likely remain a ritual unique to Fuyuki. The fourth Holy Grail War would likely have taken place just ten years before now. However, the Greater Grail having been lost, the Holy Grail War can no longer occur in Fuyuki.

Today, variations of the Holy Grail War ritual unfold across every continent. Of course, the majority of them are small in scale, with most only capable of summoning five Servants; even were the ritual itself established, it could not proceed to the point where it could grant any wish.

[Corbeck]

hmmm I think I should reread apoc again

[Sesto]

the majority of them are small in scale, with most only capable of summoning five Servants

i mean does this not imply some were larger in scale and capable of summoning more servants, or what. i don't know what the original japanese is but the english line clearly implies some of the outliers were larger than 5.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Not really? It just sounds like all of them are tiny and at best you're getting five. Especially when you know the regular is seven, so, five or fewer?

[You]

i mean does this not imply some were larger in scale and capable of summoning more servants, or what. i don't know what the original japanese is but the english line clearly implies some of the outliers were larger than 5.

i know you want to do some fanfic thing about a subspecies war with more than 5 servants but looking at the line from every single angle isn't going to change it.

[Sesto]

Not really? It just sounds like all of them are tiny and at best you're getting five. Especially when you know the regular is seven, so, five or fewer?

"majority of them small in scale = most only have 5", therefore a small minority were larger and had more. but i guess 'scale' doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the amount of servants

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i know you want to do some fanfic thing about a subspecies war with more than 5 servants but looking at the line from every single angle isn't going to change it.

to be honest my war takes place a couple years after f/a, so the entry would be outdated and i'm technically not breaking canon anyway. i guess.

[Kirby]

i know you want to do some fanfic thing about a subspecies war with more than 5 servants but looking at the line from every single angle isn't going to change it.

Two Grail Wars

COLLIDE

[Arashi_Leonhart]

"majority of them small in scale = most only have 5", therefore a minority were smaller and had fewer

Fixed for you.

Because you don't fail upwards.

Unless this is Hollywood.

[You]

to be honest my war takes place a couple years after f/a, so the entry would be outdated and i'm technically not breaking canon anyway. i guess.

no it wouldn't.
Cos the Greater Grail is gone and all you're left with is more imitation ones.
The ones which can't put up more than 5.

[Sesto]

Fixed for you.

Because you don't fail upwards.

Unless this is Hollywood.

like i'm sorry i don't really understand what you mean sorry if your posts are supposed to make sense.

because majority = most. so most of the wars were small. therefore, some wars maybe were larger. or maybe some wars were even smaller, i guess. but either way the line go could either way. so my assumption wasn't completely invalid, even if later materials proved me wrong

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no it wouldn't.
Cos the Greater Grail is gone and all you're left with is more imitation ones.
The ones which can't put up more than 5.

like, maybe after romania these fakers learned a secret that became common knowledge (you know, due to a real grail war happening in romania) and could create better imitations. or maybe the einzbern gave advice to some other randoms in hope they'd create something successful (since ygg fucked up majorly) while they continue to work on their own thing. or maybe some of the fakers went to romania itself and managed to steal a tiny remnant of the greater grail to use for their imitation grail and ended up producing something that could summon seven servants (even if it was still a failure of a grail)

either way it's not completely impossible. but i don't want to shit up this thread with fanfic stuff so yeah i'll stop here.

[Zenieth]

No, it's saying that most managed five.

It doesn't suggest the others had more, else they'd be equivalent to the fuyuki one, which is clearly not the case.

The minority trended downwards, not upwards.