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    Quote Originally Posted by skulkidcachi90 View Post
    WE need the water to fix shinji problems not the problems of others.
    By that argument, we shouldn't use it on Zouken either since you agree with the opinion of 'not saving everyone.' To me, it isn't so much about saving Kirie so much as getting something else in return. Mainly, this would be favors equal to the price of Avalon.
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    Gilgamesh has A Lck.

    wut bout that
    His fate as the most powerful Servant is to steamroll every war he takes part in.

    Somehow, he manages to defy all odds and deny this fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous
    If only I could be respected without having to be respectable.

    What Fate/Stay Night character are you?
    Kotomine Kirei
    You are Kirei. You've always been a little different from the rest. You probably have low social skills. Whatever, it's not like what they think matters anyway. Ever searching for something missing within you, you probably don't experience the same happiness as everyone else. Good and evil are just labels, you are who you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caster View Post
    As Kuroyuki pointed out its better to use it now than have it until the end and never used it. Out of character reasoning but we do have means to come back and redo bad choices, so the auto-life isn't as good as it seems. It also relies on us being in a position where it can be used, which is far from a guarantee. Whereas the social bonuses alone we get from this are worth considering.
    We can redo bad choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    We can redo bad choices?
    Well, Alf did make mention of a Touko dojo if I recall correctly in one of the missed achievements.
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    Gilgamesh has A Lck.

    wut bout that
    His fate as the most powerful Servant is to steamroll every war he takes part in.

    Somehow, he manages to defy all odds and deny this fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous
    If only I could be respected without having to be respectable.

    What Fate/Stay Night character are you?
    Kotomine Kirei
    You are Kirei. You've always been a little different from the rest. You probably have low social skills. Whatever, it's not like what they think matters anyway. Ever searching for something missing within you, you probably don't experience the same happiness as everyone else. Good and evil are just labels, you are who you are.

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    We can redo death choices, that's been mentioned a couple times. Obviously just plain bad choices that isn't allowed. Otherwise the Hermione scenario wouldn't have been that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticFellow View Post
    By that argument, we shouldn't use it on Zouken either since you agree with the opinion of 'not saving everyone.' To me, it isn't so much about saving Kirie so much as getting something else in return. Mainly, this would be favors equal to the price of Avalon.
    saving zouken is gonna fix a lot of problems in the future of shinji, problems than shinji cause in first place.
    Also shinji is gonna win favors of the matous family too, maybe those secrets are not going to be that useful right now but in a future is could learn those secrets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skulkidcachi90 View Post
    saving zouken is gonna fix a lot of problems in the future of shinji, problems than shinji cause in first place.
    Also shinji is gonna win favors of the matous family too, maybe those secrets are not going to be that useful right now but in a future is could learn those secrets.
    Then you aren't really of the opinion of keeping the water for Shinji's own sake. As for learning the Matou secrets, I already explained that Shinji won't be able to learn how to use those fast enough to use an acceptable amount of them in the Potions Championship.
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    Gilgamesh has A Lck.

    wut bout that
    His fate as the most powerful Servant is to steamroll every war he takes part in.

    Somehow, he manages to defy all odds and deny this fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous
    If only I could be respected without having to be respectable.

    What Fate/Stay Night character are you?
    Kotomine Kirei
    You are Kirei. You've always been a little different from the rest. You probably have low social skills. Whatever, it's not like what they think matters anyway. Ever searching for something missing within you, you probably don't experience the same happiness as everyone else. Good and evil are just labels, you are who you are.

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    The Matou family is all of two individuals, earning their favor isn't that influential. And either of these options helps Shinji, it's naive to think otherwise. But the Fujou option provides more immediate and long term benefits, even if those benefits are not as narrow. It's also a limited time offer. Shinji may get another drop of the water, problem solved then. He can't bring the dead back to life though.

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    [x] Give it freely, knowing the gift will curry a great deal of favor with both the Fujou family - and with Kaiduka and Hijiri

    Shinji shouldn't buy Zouken's affection with gifts. A meaningful emotional connection is the best path to a healthy relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephirin View Post
    Fuck, did choosing to attend the funeral force us to tell Shirou to take out Avalon? Dammit.
    It got Shinji thinking about obligations to family, and so he advised Shiroe accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veldril View Post
    By the way, out of curiosity, what would Kanji for "Shiroe" be? "Shirou" (士郎)means a "Son of a Warrior/Samurai" but what would "Shiroe" means? I kinda feel like names Nasu (or in general Japanese authors) came up with have underly meaning that connected to the plot/story (obvious example would be Kuonji Arisu, the name was tied to her magecraft) so have you picked the meaning for the name?
    Shiroe (城恵) - "Fortress of Wisdom"

    I've mentioned this as far back as Book 2. Suitable for someone who might be the touchstone for both the Fujou and the Demon Hunter Organization at large, if they are to play a larger role, no?
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    So, why cant Shiroe use the scabbard to heal his sister?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saki View Post
    So, why cant Shiroe use the scabbard to heal his sister?
    Only King Arthur's prana can activate Avalon.
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    Gilgamesh has A Lck.

    wut bout that
    His fate as the most powerful Servant is to steamroll every war he takes part in.

    Somehow, he manages to defy all odds and deny this fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous
    If only I could be respected without having to be respectable.

    What Fate/Stay Night character are you?
    Kotomine Kirei
    You are Kirei. You've always been a little different from the rest. You probably have low social skills. Whatever, it's not like what they think matters anyway. Ever searching for something missing within you, you probably don't experience the same happiness as everyone else. Good and evil are just labels, you are who you are.

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    And by the time that might be an option she will be dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticFellow View Post
    Only King Arthur's prana can activate Avalon.
    Then how did kiritsugu saved him if saver was dead at that time?



    Im not to sure about giving the potion to the first person that we meet and seeing pretty Zouken is amusing. Alf is there a chance to get another bottle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saki View Post
    Then how did kiritsugu saved him if saver was dead at that time?



    Im not to sure about giving the potion to the first person that we meet and seeing pretty Zouken is amusing. Alf is there a chance to get another bottle?
    Chances are it had a bit of King Arthur's prana left which allowed it to save Shirou from immediately being dead. I suppose Shinji also has the option of getting more Water of Life, though that will cost him a favor, and he only has one of that.
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    Gilgamesh has A Lck.

    wut bout that
    His fate as the most powerful Servant is to steamroll every war he takes part in.

    Somehow, he manages to defy all odds and deny this fate.
    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous
    If only I could be respected without having to be respectable.

    What Fate/Stay Night character are you?
    Kotomine Kirei
    You are Kirei. You've always been a little different from the rest. You probably have low social skills. Whatever, it's not like what they think matters anyway. Ever searching for something missing within you, you probably don't experience the same happiness as everyone else. Good and evil are just labels, you are who you are.

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    It is possible to get something to help Zouken as opposed to Shirou's sister at some point, or at least more likely.

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    save it for zouken.

    also was that a vote i missed to suggest shirou give it up?

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    [X] Save it, as he might need it in the future

    We shouldn't have mentioned anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    [x] Trade it for whatever artifact saved Shirou's life after the Fuyuki fire
    We need the bargaining chip against Einzberns much more than he does.
    Is it really that useful as a bargaining chip? Without King Arthur's prana it isn't useful for much beyond a catalyst. Rather than give it to the Einzbern to temporarily mollify them, we could use it to make Zolgen sane again; a great asset indeed.
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    I think that mollifying the Einzberns is more likely than curing Zouken. Though mollifying the Einzberns fully would require killing Zouken for the most part.
    Last edited by Caster; December 24th, 2015 at 04:20 AM.

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    Admittedly, the opportunity we have in saving Kirie is very apparently time-sensitive and one that we will not be getting again. What we gain in not asking for Avalon also far outweighs taking Avalon in this situation. Times like these receiving the gratitude of what is more or less one of the greater clans of Japan will be much more useful to us than some sheathe that we cannot use right now.

    While it is true that we are weighing this against giving it to Zouken, we will likely find other opportunities to assist him in regaining his youth in the future. Based on canon, he isn't due to die of 'natural' causes for at least another three years and we should encounter something by then.

    After all, as Dumas once said: "We are never quits with those who oblige us, for when we do not owe them money, we owe them gratitude."

    [x] - Give it freely

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    So, Shinji finally learns more about Fujou family and how much what he did matters to them. Beautiful start of the new book, pretty insightful. Shirou is already as far away from canon that lack of Avalon would be only formality.

    [X] Trade it for whatever artifact saved Shirou's life after the Fuyuki fire

    Yes, Shinji told Shiroe that everything has a price. Let's not forget that Grndpa waits for Shinji, and that Zouken is pretty angry. I vote we give him Avalon. It isn't Water of Life, true, but Zouken knows how previous war ended and might be thankful for something that will guarantee his victory. Coupled with explaining on Shinji's part, we may yet avoid Grandpa's wrath.

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