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    The Remnants of Ideals

    In a distant dream, he saw the world burn.

    He trudged across the scorched earth, the rancid stench of death and violence following in his wake. He walked past mountains of rotting corpses, their lifeless eyes staring into something he could not see. He dragged himself across oceans of blood, but even then there was no end in sight.

    There was no meaning in his actions, and there was no gratitude expressed for his deeds. All he ever did, and all he would ever continue doing, was killing for the ‘greater good’. Whatever that was.

    The familiar sensation of releasing an arrow. The lingering weight of swords in his hands. The pathetic stubbornness of a man refusing to believe in reality. Those were the things that he had thought could some day save the world. Those were the things he had believed would make him into a Hero of Justice.

    Those were the things that had driven him to despair.

    With every arrow released, a life was taken. With every sword produced, blood was spilled. The very objects that had given him strength and allowed him to fight were now destroying the very world he wished to save.

    In a way, he was saving the world. In a way, he was a hero. But to the man once known as Emiya Shirou, he had set the world aflame with his own two hands.

    He walked across the barren landscape, past the countless swords he had created. The weapons, mere replicas of extolled originals, stood lifelessly upon the earth, erect like tombstones in a world devoid of hope. A world befitting a man like him.

    The footsteps stopped echoing in his ears as his body gave up, unable to continue its pointless quest. A part of him berated himself for that weakness, for stopping in his desperate search, but the rest of him understood; somewhere deep down, he had already realized that there was no salvation to be found here.

    And so, upon the vast graveyard of swords, stood a man with a body made of blades.

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    When he opened his eyes, he was in an unfamiliar castle. He did not know how he knew it was a castle, but he did not question it; after all, he had long since stopped caring about the tiny details after becoming a Counter Guardian. He merely needed one thing, and that was the presence of the ‘evil’ he was here to defeat.

    If he had been summoned here, then it meant that the world was on the verge of destruction. He was nothing more than someone who cleaned up after humanity’s mistakes, preventing their extinction before it could actually happen. If this era needed him, then it simply meant that there was another ‘error’ to eradicate.

    If one looked at it objectively, his actions were tantamount to saving humanity. If one considered the results of said actions, he would undoubtedly be worshipped as a hero. However, in actuality, he was not here to ‘save’; he was here to ‘kill’.

    Preventing the world’s destruction after a mistake has been made simply meant to get rid of that mistake. Rather than protecting everyone, he was eliminating the few who were responsible for the sake of the majority. It sounded heroic – justified, even – but there was no sugarcoating the fact that it was still manslaughter.

    “Is… someone… there?”

    A terribly weak voice attracted his attention. It was a powerless voice, one belonging to someone surely on the verge of death, but it made him seek out the speaker regardless.

    “Who’s there?” he asked.

    “You’re… not with the Ainsworth…”

    From behind the bars of what appeared to be a jail cell, the dying man uttered an unfamiliar name.

    “Do you…” the man coughed, the strain in his voice becoming more apparent. “Do you… know… Miyu?”

    “… Unfortunately, those names don’t ring a bell,” the Counter Guardian replied. The lack of information about his immediate situation was baffling enough, and this man’s rambling was making it worse.

    “I see…” the dying man wheezed. For a moment, the Counter Guardian thought he sounded relieved. “Then… maybe she hasn’t been captured…”

    “Do you know where I can find the owner of this castle?” the Counter Guardian asked. Under normal circumstances, he would have tried to help the man – an act almost like a reflex to him – but something was holding him back. Even though this man was definitely not the ‘evil’ he had to vanquish, something about him told the Guardian that he was not a man who should be saved.

    “You want Julian…” the dying man made an odd sound which might have been a chuckle. “Do you mean to oppose him…?”

    “If killing him means this world can be saved, then yes,” the Counter Guardian replied. It was a cliché line almost befitting a comic book hero, but he had spoken those words with much resolve. It almost sounded like he actually believed he could save the world.

    No reply came from the other side. Just as the Counter Guardian thought he had died, the man spoke up:

    “If you plan to fight him,” he said, his voice now carrying a strange hint of hope. “Can you please… save Miyu…?”

    “… I do not know of a ‘Miyu’,” the Counter Guardian repeated. “Is she a loved one to you?”

    “She is my sister,” the dying man replied.

    “My apologies, but I don’t have the time to save one person,” the Counter Guardian answered. It was a callous reply, but it was true; compared to the countless lives he could possibly save, one single girl was not worth the effort. It was only the logical conclusion. It was logical, and yet…

    “If you want to save her,”

    A sharp, screeching sound of metal on metal grated his ears, and in one swift motion the door to the cell was in pieces on the floor.

    “Then do it yourself,” he finished. Even if he had long since thrown aside the childish belief that everyone could be saved, there was a part of him that still wanted to believe that impossible dream. A part of him that still admired the happiness he had seen that day. “You-”

    The rest of his sentence died in his throat. Any and all thoughts froze in that instance, all at the mere sight of the man before him. At the dying man, bound by chains and covered in hideous wounds, staring back into his eyes.

    That day, inside an unknown castle with an unknown enemy, Emiya Shirou came face-to-face with himself.

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    So I should probably explain this a little bit. The writing was something I did on the spur of the moment, so I admit it needs a lot of work. But the idea was fun, so I decided why not.

    So what’s it about? Archer is summoned as a Counter Guardian, but somehow ends up in the Miyuverse (Prisma Illya for those who aren’t familiar with it) and encounters… well, Shirou. Oh, and I’m thinking of including Archerko as well. Hence the title. Wait; people still remember Archerko, right? Right??

    It’s a weird thing, I know, but let me know what you think of it!
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    You do know that Archer being sent out by Alaya as a CG will be in a berserk state right?

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    I'm countering a lot of the original rules by using this setting, if not all of them. I'll explain more if I decide to expand on this idea, but yeah a bunch of things that would happen to a proper CG won't happen here. It's largely why I set the story in the Miyuverse in the first place. I can't say I know all about how Counter Guardians work, so this was my way of working around the problem. Hope that clarifies some stuff up
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    I admit I don't know enough about Prisma Illya to get the full impact of this story yet, but I think it looks like it's going neat places and your setting descriptions are really nice. The only note I would make is to try toning down the amount of re-hash on Archer's lost-soul thing. I would definitely keep up the self-loathing trend, but maybe pull focus more towards his feelings themselves rather than dwelling on what the reader already knows (i.e, that he's given up on saving everyone and now he's caught in the irony of killing people to save people.)

    You might have already realized that since you said you know it needs some work, but I just thought I'd mention it.



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    I enjoyed reading this, and I'm not very familiar with the Prisma Illya verse either, but I look forward to seeing what you do with it.

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    The fascination with sane/coherent Counter-Guardian EMIYA continues to elude me.
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    Tell me, Emiya Shirou, do you ever regret becoming a Superhero? Shrimperor's Avatar
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    I am looking forward to this, Ausreford ^^

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    Actually the sane counter guardian thing might actually work with the miyuverse since Gaia is dying and it's system is said by Gil to be 'breaking down'. Tanaka is something called the 'arrow of fire' summoned to destroy with the ainsworth but she doesn't remember anything with some implication that it's because of Gaia dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    I admit I don't know enough about Prisma Illya to get the full impact of this story yet, but I think it looks like it's going neat places and your setting descriptions are really nice. The only note I would make is to try toning down the amount of re-hash on Archer's lost-soul thing. I would definitely keep up the self-loathing trend, but maybe pull focus more towards his feelings themselves rather than dwelling on what the reader already knows (i.e, that he's given up on saving everyone and now he's caught in the irony of killing people to save people.)

    You might have already realized that since you said you know it needs some work, but I just thought I'd mention it.
    Oh, that part. I'm not going to touch on Archer's past in that angle after the first chapter; this was mentioned here only because I wanted there to be an introduction of sorts for Archer before the story actually started. The story's mostly meant to dive into the characters' thoughts and motivations. I did enough of Archer's backstory in Prism Mayhem I think... But thanks for pointing it out; now I know what to avoid when writing Archer in the future!

    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Grail Grand Prix View Post
    I enjoyed reading this, and I'm not very familiar with the Prisma Illya verse either, but I look forward to seeing what you do with it.
    It's okay; I suspect the most unfamiliar part for most people will be Archerko though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    The fascination with sane/coherent Counter-Guardian EMIYA continues to elude me.
    Odd. I didn't actually know it was a thing. I just made it this way because the setting kinda allowed for it, and I wanted to develop his character in that way so... I haven't actually read any fanfics so far about Archer as a CG; is this Sane CG idea a thing in the community?

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    I am looking forward to this, Ausreford ^^
    Glad you are And I keep reminding myself to get off my ass and do that Sayaka oneshot...
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    Is this whole 'CGs are mindless when summoned' thing from when Archer did the explanation of Heroic Spirits to Shirou in early UBW when he escorted Shirou back to his home?
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    I think leeway on guardians having their minds the whole time should be allowed, because of a simple fact: Emiya was broken by his experiences as a guardian. New info Nasu released does say he became more cynical over time, but it still doesn't counteract that Emiya died with no regrets about his path in life until after his term as a guardian. I think Ausreford should be given some slack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fsnfan View Post
    You do know that Archer being sent out by Alaya as a CG will be in a berserk state right?
    Can you cite a source for this?

    If not, there's an argument to be made from the point that it would defeat the purpose of having Counter Guardians with unique abilities that require skill to execute if they were just berserkers or meatpuppets with consciousness in a back seat. If Alaya's just going to use them like that, they why bother having CGs with distinct abilities suited to particular tasks in the first place? Just Counter-Force up a super-being with Enuma Elish for anything that requires stamping out.

    UBW the TV has Emiya pretty calmly executing his targets. Didn't really look like berserker rage at all. The back seat idea probably has more merit, but in the absence of further evidence, I would personally go with the interpretation that activities as a Counter Guardian are just a particularly distasteful obligation that Emiya simply must carry out -- with full faculties and resources at his disposal. He doesn't have a choice except to mindlessly follow -- but 'mindless' might not be literally literal.

    Are we sure his participation in the 5th War wasn't simply Alaya sticking him on standby on the off chance that Angra Mainyu pops up?
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    Maybe its not a Berserker and more like, all personality has been wiped leaving a robot going through the motions of the orders given?
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    If the personality was wiped, Emiya still wouldn't have been broken. He's still gotta be in there somehow. Guy experienced all that stuff, and it wasn't like faint memories or records like with a standard summon.
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    Interesting premise. I'm looking forward to Archer's reaction mostly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    The fascination with sane/coherent Counter-Guardian EMIYA continues to elude me.
    Probably because people are interested in the idea of a hero popping up across space and time whenever disaster threatens humanity, but not in The Adventures of Murderpuppet.

    Not to make excuses, but I think it's understandable.

    Quote Originally Posted by kinlyki View Post
    Is this whole 'CGs are mindless when summoned' thing from when Archer did the explanation of Heroic Spirits to Shirou in early UBW when he escorted Shirou back to his home?
    If I'm recalling the same scene - no. I think there he's just exaggerating the extent to which Servants in the HGW have to obey their Masters.

    Rather, he's referring to when Alaya summons counter guardians, where (as he explains in "Einzbern Castle") they have literally no free will; the counter force is controlling their actions, although they apparently still get to experience all the murder.
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    I mean, it's all speculative on my part too, but it makes more sense this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallacies View Post
    UBW the TV has Emiya pretty calmly executing his targets. Didn't really look like berserker rage at all. The back seat idea probably has more merit, but in the absence of further evidence, I would personally go with the interpretation that activities as a Counter Guardian are just a particularly distasteful obligation that Emiya simply must carry out -- with full faculties and resources at his disposal. He doesn't have a choice except to mindlessly follow -- but 'mindless' might not be literally literal.
    But let me suggest this: CGs are summoned with their minds and skills, but Alaya is still controlling their actions, the same way you control a computer. So say a computer has a particularly powerful graphics card, lots of memory and programs for video editing (= "skills"), and so you pick it up for that purpose; although it receives input (= "awareness") and "knows" what it's doing, it has no say over what you do with its programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walnut Sparks View Post
    But let me suggest this: CGs are summoned with their minds and skills, but Alaya is still controlling their actions, the same way you control a computer. So say a computer has a particularly powerful graphics card, lots of memory and programs for video editing (= "skills"), and so you pick it up for that purpose; although it receives input (= "awareness") and "knows" what it's doing, it has no say over what you do with its programs.
    Repost/expansion of an edit above: Are we sure Emiya's participation in the 5th War wasn't simply Alaya sticking him on standby on the off chance that Angra Mainyu pops up? Because if we accept his presence as being a preparatory action for a potential crisis (to be followed up in case the Counter Force is called for), then it's possible that the scope of what qualifies as a "mission from Alaya" may be much wider than deployment as a mere executor.
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