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[Marmadillo]

I also initially responded pretty lightly. But in a thread where it's being discussed how to make the site more inviting to newcomers and such on a landing page, this kind of insistence in even jokingly being that rude and dismissive is utterly counterproductive. The longer you're here, the more accustomed to rude banter you might become, but for new people this kind of attitude is extremely off-putting.

This is not a thread for new people. And if it were, I would advise them against hasty judgements based on a superficial understanding of the community or some of its members.

[SeiKeo]

integrated forum chat is awful

[Leftovers]

Actually I'll just say from the get-go that since getting a chat is only proposed in order to kill Random Thoughts, it's just an utterly useless addition to a community already part of too many chats already.

[Nihilm]

integrated forum chat is awful

agreed, forums should not be used to chat

[SeiKeo]

agreed, forums should not be used to chat

lol

[Prix with a Silent X]

This is not a thread for new people. And if it were, I would advise them against hasty judgements based on a superficial understanding of the community or some of its members.

And basically what I've found in being a newer member is that there are, or were, about five threads I was not pretty much precluded from contributing to. Because as was mentioned, it's basically like you should come here reading Japanese and following every TM related news source up to the minute or you should go home. And it seems like most people talking about who should and shouldn't post or look in certain threads or parts of the forum disdain and oppose the few places new people won't get yelled at for not reading ENOUGH supplemental material or not being smart enough as to the group think to not ask, say, or think certain things. If you are suggesting that there are only some places newer fans or members belong on the forum, make it policy and make it clear and be done with it. I would suggest that as much as new people shouldn't judge the whole forum based on a superficial understanding of the forum or some of its members, maybe people who are already here shouldn't constantly insist on this post-civility tone everywhere on the forum. How is a deeper than superficial understanding even possible for new forum members when almost everywhere here isn't "for them" very obviously? Lurkers. What seem to be encouraged here are new lurkers, judging by this attitude. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Snow]

agreed, forums should not be used to chat

Then something like useful ft content could serve to encourage users both new and old by giving them easy access to materials that could actually be seriously discussed.

Or, you know, suffer useless post about today's lunch while they dig through those materials themselves.

[Neir]

And basically what I've found in being a newer member is that there are, or were, about five threads I was not pretty much precluded from contributing to. Because as was mentioned, it's basically like you should come here reading Japanese and following every TM related news source up to the minute or you should go home. And it seems like most people talking about who should and shouldn't post or look in certain threads or parts of the forum disdain and oppose the few places new people won't get yelled at for not reading ENOUGH supplemental material or not being smart enough as to the group think to not ask, say, or think certain things. If you are suggesting that there are only some places newer fans or members belong on the forum, make it policy and make it clear and be done with it. I would suggest that as much as new people shouldn't judge the whole forum based on a superficial understanding of the forum or some of its members, maybe people who are already here shouldn't constantly insist on this post-civility tone everywhere on the forum. How is a deeper than superficial understanding even possible for new forum members when almost everywhere here isn't "for them" very obviously? Lurkers. What seem to be encouraged here are new lurkers, judging by this attitude. Nothing more and nothing less.

I disagree with this. I have read literally no supplemental material and haven't even read/watched zero, and people don't really give me a hard time about it.

[SeiKeo]

tbh, in certain parts of certain sections with certain people, reading zero will get you in more trouble than not

[Petrikow]

its mostly the issue of people whose only tm experience is zero i guess

i think its natural to expect people to have read the actual main materials before engaging in a fandom fully

[Mcjon01]

As a matter of fact I've barely read anything by Type Moon at all outside of Tsukihime and Fate a decade ago and Extra in 2011. I've just been coasting on that ever since.

[Leftovers]

And basically what I've found in being a newer member is that there are, or were, about five threads I was not pretty much precluded from contributing to. Because as was mentioned, it's basically like you should come here reading Japanese and following every TM related news source up to the minute or you should go home. And it seems like most people talking about who should and shouldn't post or look in certain threads or parts of the forum disdain and oppose the few places new people won't get yelled at for not reading ENOUGH supplemental material or not being smart enough as to the group think to not ask, say, or think certain things. If you are suggesting that there are only some places newer fans or members belong on the forum, make it policy and make it clear and be done with it. I would suggest that as much as new people shouldn't judge the whole forum based on a superficial understanding of the forum or some of its members, maybe people who are already here shouldn't constantly insist on this post-civility tone everywhere on the forum. How is a deeper than superficial understanding even possible for new forum members when almost everywhere here isn't "for them" very obviously? Lurkers. What seem to be encouraged here are new lurkers, judging by this attitude. Nothing more and nothing less.

The base requirement for participating in TM conversations is having read, or even watched, the source material. Everything else you can find out in the process of posting and discussion, and even that isn't necessary unless you plan on debating lore or mechanics or powerlevels. To be honest I kinda dislike referring people to the big document in the OP for that reason; everything in it is taken from actual discussions, not some obscure tome privy to only a few which was quoted for the occasion. Learning something through experience is better than looking it up at the big compendium.

[Snow]

And basically what I've found in being a newer member is that there are, or were, about five threads I was not pretty much precluded from contributing to. Because as was mentioned, it's basically like you should come here reading Japanese and following every TM related news source up to the minute or you should go home. And it seems like most people talking about who should and shouldn't post or look in certain threads or parts of the forum disdain and oppose the few places new people won't get yelled at for not reading ENOUGH supplemental material or not being smart enough as to the group think to not ask, say, or think certain things. If you are suggesting that there are only some places newer fans or members belong on the forum, make it policy and make it clear and be done with it. I would suggest that as much as new people shouldn't judge the whole forum based on a superficial understanding of the forum or some of its members, maybe people who are already here shouldn't constantly insist on this post-civility tone everywhere on the forum. How is a deeper than superficial understanding even possible for new forum members when almost everywhere here isn't "for them" very obviously? Lurkers. What seem to be encouraged here are new lurkers, judging by this attitude. Nothing more and nothing less.

While I agree one should never be rude about these things, in my experience BL is still pretty decent when it comes to this. If you have, say, a lore question, for every person that's potentially rude to you you have one or two people who'll be genuinely helpful. Maybe they'll sound grumpy about it, maybe they'll tease you a bit, but they do help.

[Leftovers]

Also GD has gotten plenty of new members. It's maybe the only subforum that can boast a constant stream of new posters in the whole of BL.

[Petrikow]

AMMD?

7th?

[Leftovers]

more like UBW/GO and RT

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then again, there's questions and badass

[Kirby]

Continuation of conciousness.

[Mcjon01]

I think you read Mahoyo, mcjon...

I don't read partial patches.

[Petrikow]

more like UBW/GO and RT

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then again, there's questions and badass

if anything GD Big Threads are more dominant than 7ths are

not that there is anything wrong with that but arguing that those others dont count for the reasons you listed is a bit disingenuous

[Leftovers]

if anything GD Big Threads are more dominant than 7ths are

Yes but GD is, like, a mindset, man

re:topic I like the monthly/bi-monthly digest idea. Lump together the translation updates, TM news ranging from new manga chapters and product release dates to figmas and Nasu's blog entries, and fill in the gaps with Grand Order and you should have a decent amount of material.

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the energy one would spent writing a TYPE-MOON LORE AS TRANSCRIBED IN THE ANNALS OF THE BEAST'S LAIR article series would be much better spent editing articles on the bl wiki hint hint nudge nudge strangle