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[Bobin]

Emiya's exact skills we knew since SN.

It's rather impressive.

[Iceblade44]

It's rather impressive.

Really, the only thing we haven't seen him do as a combo is Rho Aias. Everything else is just stuff that he did in SN and HA, or is something Shirou did with his memories like Crane Wing.

Well it's debatable whether overedge really was in the VN but it still counts kinda.

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Except Excalibur Image, that's the only new thing, and even then he did bluff he could do it in the VN anyway.

[Bobin]

It was a real eye-opener when I saw him projecting his team's weapons as part of the UBW sequence. Being on the Moon Cell makes Emiya want to try out new things, huh.

[LJ3]

why not just release Link as an expansion then

$

and we’ll still buy it

capitalism ho

I remember arguments when Siriel would say Archer couldn’t use Gae Bolg or couldn’t because it wasn’t good to use for him, which makes me laugh now seeing as Archer has Gae Bolg and uses it in NP.

Even funnier in hindsight was when people argued that Archer had Gae Bolg from the CGs when he sword storms Medea because of the spear image and Siriel would shut that down because lolart

its funny

[Bobin]

I remember there was a quote that straight up said he couldn't make use of Gae Bolg (not sure how exactly) or something along the lines.

[Iceblade44]

He probably can't use the technique, the thrust most likely. I don't see anything stopping him throwing it anyway.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Magical energy, which completely drains Cu's reserves

[Iceblade44]

Magical energy, which completely drains Cu's reserves

And who says that Emiya's reserves are worse then Cu's? Between all his projections and BUS he should have a fair amount.

[asterism42]

I remember there was a quote that straight up said he couldn't make use of Gae Bolg (not sure how exactly) or something along the lines.

Like how he ostensibly can't use Excalibur?

[castor212]

Why would people think Emiya cant copy techniques, at least to a lesser degree, when we were shown that thats exactly what he can do.

Other than technical reason like maryoku supply.

Legit question, not sarcasm.

[Asunder]

EMIYA: Well, even the amazing me can’t just recklessly project Gae Bolg class Noble Phantasms. Mashu’s Noble Phantasm is similar, it’s something of the area that I cannot copy.

Kinda sounds like either he can't do it or it's a real hassle.

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Why would people think Emiya cant copy techniques, at least to a lesser degree, when we were shown that thats exactly what he can do.

Other than technical reason like maryoku supply.

Legit question, not sarcasm.

Gae Bolg technique is kind of a gray area because it's basically Cu casting a curse using the spear's passive abilities. We know mainly physical techniques can be copied like crane wings and nine lives but GB is more magecraft.

[castor212]

Ehh i still think he can do it to a lesser degree if he really really ganbaru-ed it

[Daiki]

His thing is to copy weapon history, not the skill required for techniques.

So he could try reproducing moves but, he's likely to fail to do it perfectly, like when he reproduces a shallow copy of Nine Lives as Shirou. Or being directed around, just like with Caliburn. If it requires more than physical ability he likely can't do it because his skillset doesn't align with that.

And who says that Emiya's reserves are worse then Cu's? Between all his projections and BUS he should have a fair amount.

You can't change the soul capacity. It's something that is fixed from birth. Not without real difficulty, anyway. Hence why magi prefer to bet on a successor with better potential rather than alter their own circuits.

Shirou has a rather piss poor mana pool. He is just lucky that using UBW swords isn't that costly. External mana storage such as a Master solve some of it, yes, but if the comparison is between him and Cu (who had good enough potential receiving runes teaching from Scathach) under the same Master/System/Mana Battery, I'll give the edge to Cu.

[castor212]

I maybe just amnesiac or smtg but i could swear the VN has the 1 scene that said proficiency on the weapon projected counted in the history replication.

But anw

like when he reproduces a shallow copy of Nine Lives as Shirou
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Hence i cover my rear by putting the ambigue "lesser degree".

[Asunder]

His thing is to copy weapon history, not the skill required for techniques.

So he could try reproducing moves but, he's likely to fail to do it perfectly, like when he reproduces a shallow copy of Nine Lives as Shirou. Or being directed around, just like with Caliburn. If it requires more than physical ability he likely can't do it because his skillset doesn't align with that.



You can't change the soul capacity. It's something that is fixed from birth. Not without real difficulty, anyway. Hence why magi prefer to bet on a successor with better potential rather than alter their own circuits.

Shirou has a rather piss poor mana pool. He is just lucky that using UBW swords isn't that costly.

Tracing techniques seems to just have the same rank down as projections, nine lives turns into eight lives and crane wings changes a bit from EMIYA's version. Shirou's mana problems in fate mainly come from just getting his circuits halfway through the war, he's actually above average in count for a magi, and EMIYA has enough to use stuff like calabolg. Rin is just ridiculous 'top 100 in the entire history of the clocktower' tier.

[Daiki]

It's not a issue of quantity but of quality. UBW projections are mostly on the cheaper side.

It starts adding up when he relies on Broken Phantasms, high end weaponry and what doesn't fall in the CQC armament clause. Stuff like B&K he can project dozens without feeling the strain.

[You]

Like the thing about Gae Bolg stab is that "it hits the heart"
if you trace that and it downgrades to maybe not hitting the heart
whats the point?
there's a ton of other stuff with no heal properties, etc.

[castor212]

in case thats for me
not saying that there's any point or its better or smtg
just me being weirded out when people said emiya flat out cant copy techniques

[You]

just me being weirded out when people said emiya flat out cant copy techniques

why bring up gae bolg into that though
nine lives all the way

[Iceblade44]

in case thats for me
not saying that there's any point or its better or smtg
just me being weirded out when people said emiya flat out cant copy techniques

I know he can copy techniques, it just feels that Gae Bolg while it is a technique, is something way more complicated. It's almost at the level of a Gods Authority, to me I would see it being something hard for Emiya to replicate.

I do wonder why he has difficulty projecting Lord Camelot, does it have to do with mental parts of it?