Create-A-Servant 2

[You]

Pegasus isn't a NP yet.

[Ail Don]

Pegasus isn't a NP yet.

"an innate, unlisted ability"
Fuck you too Nasu that's totally an NP.

[asterism42]

I figure Medusa can summon Pegasus because she's his mother.

[You]

"an innate, unlisted ability"
Fuck you too Nasu that's totally an NP.

That Pegasus is just something that Rider has summoned, and it does not have a true name.
For Rider, that Pegasus is just like the dagger she uses.
In other wordsthat black cavalry has yet to use her Noble Phantasm.

to her its just like summoning a dagger. All Servants can summon their weapons.
This one is more elaborate.

[SpoonyViking]

... Okay. Still, I don't know why, but this particular nasufying leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Must be because I never tought of Perseus as particularly associated with Pegasus.

That's not something invented by pop culture, though, or even by Renaissance artists and scholars.
"When her head was cut off, there sprang from the Gorgon the winged horse Pegasus and Chrysaor, the father of Geryon; these she had by Poseidon." (http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus2.html#4. PSEUDO-APOLLODORUS. The Library. Trans. James George Frazer.)

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to her its just like summoning a dagger. All Servants can summon their weapons.
This one is more elaborate.

Medusa confirmed as a munchkin. Too bad she's not the GM's girlfriend (Saber), a GMPC (Iskandar, Karna), or the main villain (Gilgamesh).

[AvengerEmiya]

Emiya shoots Caladbolg.

Funny that it looks more like a sword when its specifically not being used as a sword.

[Alexcoene]

That's not something invented by pop culture, though, or even by Renaissance artists and scholars.
"When her head was cut off, there sprang from the Gorgon the winged horse Pegasus and Chrysaor, the father of Geryon; these she had by Poseidon." (http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus2.html#4. PSEUDO-APOLLODORUS. The Library. Trans. James George Frazer.)

Yes, I know that. But to me, it doesn't ties Pegasus to Perseus in any meaningful way. I mean, it just comes out of Medusa and flies away, not giving a fuck about the guy with the sword-scythe. If anything, it ties it to Medusa,wich is almost certainly why Nasu changed the identity of Rider during development, come to think of it.

[asterism42]

The replacement of Bellerophon as the tamer and rider of Pegasus by the more familiar culture hero Perseus was not simply an error of painters and poets of the Renaissance. The transition was a development of Classical times which became the standard image during the Middle Ages and has been adopted by the European poets of the Renaissance and later: Giovanni Boccaccio's Genealogia deorum gentilium libri (10.27) identifies Pegasus as the steed of Perseus, and Pierre Corneille places Perseus upon Pegasus in Andromède. Modern representations of this image include sculptor Émile Louis Picault's 1888 sculpture, Pegasus.

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[Bird of Hermes]

Medusa confirmed as a munchkin. Too bad she's not the GM's girlfriend (Saber), a GMPC (Iskandar, Karna), or the main villain (Gilgamesh).

I can see Iskander and Karna as GMPC's but I figured Kotomine was the villain and Gilgamesh was a PC from the previous campaign whose player just happened to be a giant That Guy.

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Yes, I know that. But to me, it doesn't ties Pegasus to Perseus in any meaningful way. I mean, it just comes out of Medusa and flies away, not giving a fuck about the guy with the sword-scythe. If anything, it ties it to Medusa,wich is almost certainly why Nasu changed the identity of Rider during development, come to think of it.

Association alone can make something a Noble Phantasm of a servant.

[Alexcoene]

Okay, okay, I was wrong; he can ride Pegasus by association, apparently. Tough I still maintain that calling him its "first master" is pushing it.

[asterism42]

Wingy horse > Fancy shoes

[Ail Don]

Semiramis built the city of Babylon but for some reason she can use Hanging Gardens.
Ishtar Gate would've made a better NP

[Adlet]

Semiramis can use the Hanging Gardens because people mistake her as the one who built the gardens. I actually would have had no idea she wasn't the one who built the Gardens if it weren't for Fate, considering the school I went to taught us that she was the one who built them...

[You]

Semiramis can use the Hanging Gardens because people mistake her as the one who built the gardens. I actually would have had no idea she wasn't the one who built the Gardens if it weren't for Fate, considering the school I went to taught us that she was the one who built them...

exhibit A

[WhatShouldNotBe]

Okay, okay, I was wrong; he can ride Pegasus by association, apparently. Tough I still maintain that calling him its "first master" is pushing it.

If Perseus isn't it's first master, then who the heck is?

Medusa?

She's dead, the instant Pegasus was born.

[Alexcoene]

If Perseus isn't it's first master, then who the heck is?

Medusa?

She's dead, the instant Pegasus was born.

Its first (and only) master is Bellephoron. The guy who actually rode it in life.

[You]

Wingy horse > Fancy shoes

both perseus's have both though

[AvengerEmiya]

Its first (and only) master is Bellephoron. The guy who actually rode it in life.

Well, technically, the Pegasus's brother Chrysaor rode it first. He just wasn't its master.

[SpoonyViking]

I can see Iskander and Karna as GMPC's but I figured Kotomine was the villain and Gilgamesh was a PC from the previous campaign whose player just happened to be a giant That Guy.

Hm... That would work for "Fate" and "Heaven's Feel", but what about "UBW"? Maybe the player couldn't play in that campaign and the GM took control of the character, since Lancer's player offed the bad guy early and used OOC knowledge to make sure he stayed dead?

[Bird of Hermes]

Hm... That would work for "Fate" and "Heaven's Feel", but what about "UBW"? Maybe the player couldn't play in that campaign and the GM took control of the character, since Lancer's player offed the bad guy early and used OOC knowledge to make sure he stayed dead?

Sounds like a fanfic I'd read.