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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatShouldNotBe View Post
    He's specifically not older than Gil. He's the very first pure Human Hero. Gil and Enkidu were both Divine.
    Hyborian age is said to be at least 10,000BCE which would make him older than Gil....
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    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Hyborian age is said to be at least 10,000BCE which would make him older than Gil....
    The dates are changed to fit it in. After all, since in Nasu Canon, Babylon is a super civilization, it's not too much of a stretch to fit in a barbaric age right after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatShouldNotBe View Post
    The dates are changed to fit it in. After all, since in Nasu Canon, Babylon is a super civilization, it's not too much of a stretch to fit in a barbaric age right after that.
    That's like me changing the dates of Final Fantasy 7 so i can make Servant Cloud Strife in this thread instead of the modern fiction one.

    I use cloud as an example because i've seen it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Hyborian age is said to be at least 10,000BCE which would make him older than Gil....
    That reminds me. I've always wondered; is Gil the first hero in the chronological sense of being the first to have ever lived, or just the first to have their legend recorded? Because if the latter, you could theoretically have heroes who came from a time period before Gilgamesh, so long as their legends weren't recorded until after (if you assume the legend essentially 'creates' the hero). I've always assumed the latter given how important 'legend' is in Nasuverse, but I don't recall ever reading canonical confirmation either way.

    In any case, it's interesting to think about.

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    Something something concepts. Like, there are legends that predate the Epic of Gilgamesh, but in TM lore Gil was something special and then I can't remember the rest.
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    Gil's dad has legends that predate his.
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    Fairly certain the Earth was still cooling right before Gil took charge according to Nasu. As in evolution never happened to fit in with Big J's death being the end of the Age of Gods.
    I know because I was contemplating a sheet on the Australopithecus Lucy

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    That reminds me. I've always wondered; is Gil the first hero in the chronological sense of being the first to have ever lived, or just the first to have their legend recorded? Because if the latter, you could theoretically have heroes who came from a time period before Gilgamesh, so long as their legends weren't recorded until after (if you assume the legend essentially 'creates' the hero). I've always assumed the latter given how important 'legend' is in Nasuverse, but I don't recall ever reading canonical confirmation either way.

    In any case, it's interesting to think about.
    Just like how GOB holds all the prototypes for every Noble Phantasm.
    Gilgamesh is the prototype of all Heroic Spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ail Don View Post
    Fairly certain the Earth was still cooling right before Gil took charge according to Nasu. As in evolution never happened to fit in with Big J's death being the end of the Age of Gods.
    Extella is a thing. There's actually a lot of human history that happened before Gil.
    Furthermore Gil's reign signifies the beginning of the end of the most recent AOG.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Just like how GOB holds all the prototypes for every Noble Phantasm.
    Gilgamesh is the prototype of all Heroic Spirits.
    ...I don't think that really answers my question. I mean, you could just as well say that before Gil, there were people who did exceptional deeds but weren't 'Heroic Spirits' (capital H) until Gil came around and invented the concept, thereby cementing himself as primary and retroactively turning all prior heroes into capital H ones.

    ...Thinking about all this is confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Extella is a thing. There's actually a lot of human history that happened before Gil.
    Furthermore Gil's reign signifies the beginning of the end of the most recent AOG.
    Huh. I've been trying to steer clear of Extella lore until the English stuff comes out but that's good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ail Don View Post
    Fairly certain the Earth was still cooling right before Gil took charge according to Nasu. As in evolution never happened to fit in with Big J's death being the end of the Age of Gods.
    I know because I was contemplating a sheet on the Australopithecus Lucy
    Did Jesus' death mark the end of the Age of Gods? Where are you getting this? I mean, it sounds vaguely plausible but I don't recall any official statement of such. If anything, it was Solomon's death that accelerated the end of the Age of Gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    ...I don't think that really answers my question. I mean, you could just as well say that before Gil, there were people who did exceptional deeds but weren't 'Heroic Spirits' (capital H) until Gil came around and invented the concept, thereby cementing himself as primary and retroactively turning all prior heroes into capital H ones.
    I wasn't trying to answer the question.
    I was giving you a summary of the statements so you can draw your own conclusion. As those statement lead to a question that can be argued either way.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    It would correspond to his birth, not death, since the "official" end of the AoG is the BC-AD transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    That's like me changing the dates of Final Fantasy 7 so i can make Servant Cloud Strife in this thread instead of the modern fiction one.

    I use cloud as an example because i've seen it done.
    ...... You've got to be kidding me.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    That reminds me. I've always wondered; is Gil the first hero in the chronological sense of being the first to have ever lived, or just the first to have their legend recorded? Because if the latter, you could theoretically have heroes who came from a time period before Gilgamesh, so long as their legends weren't recorded until after (if you assume the legend essentially 'creates' the hero). I've always assumed the latter given how important 'legend' is in Nasuverse, but I don't recall ever reading canonical confirmation either way.

    In any case, it's interesting to think about.
    That is an interesting Idea.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Ail Don View Post
    Fairly certain the Earth was still cooling right before Gil took charge according to Nasu. As in evolution never happened to fit in with Big J's death being the end of the Age of Gods.
    I know because I was contemplating a sheet on the Australopithecus Lucy
    Noooooooo, that's not how it works at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    I wasn't trying to answer the question.
    I was giving you a summary of the statements so you can draw your own conclusion. As those statement lead to a question that can be argued either way.
    Ah, so I was right in thinking that there's no clear confirmation either way and it's a matter of what one personally believes to be most plausible.

    Alrighty then!

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    Infinite quote recursion.

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    Oh dear

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Ah, so I was right in thinking that there's no clear confirmation either way and it's a matter of what one personally believes to be most plausible.

    Alrighty then!
    Gil is specifically the oldest heroic spirit, so there shouldn't be any dating back to time periods before him, at least.

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