Create-A-Servant 2

[Kotonoha]

And that's the big difference.

this Good!Shinji doesn't care what Zouken thinks.

So this character has accomplished things Shinji does not wish to accomplish and is not successful by Shinji's metric for success, why should he care?

So what's the point of this discussion.

Original character donut steel shinjis are the only bad shinjis upon this earth and I will purge them

[Ail Don]

Here's an idea.
Drop Good Shinji.
Make Hero Kariya instead.

[4score7years]

Here's an idea.
Drop Good Shinji.
Make Hero Kariya instead.

Excuse you, Kariya is already a hero

[Ail Don]

Unless this is some grown up version of Extra Shinji explicitly, this whole donut steel conversation is pretty pointless

[forumghost]

Excuse you, Kariya is already a hero

Such a Hero, strangling a woman he claims to love because she was upset that he seemed to have killed her husband.

[Historia]

Counter Guardian Issei.

[4score7years]

Such a Hero, strangling a woman he claims to love because she was upset that he seemed to have killed her husband.

I was joking.

Tho to be fair he wasn't really all there at that point.



plus her husband totally set him on fire

[zikari8]

Such a Hero, strangling a woman he claims to love because she was upset that he seemed to have killed her husband.

I mean, Othello's a hero right? Right?

[Nuclear]

Such a Hero, strangling a woman he claims to love because she was upset that he seemed to have killed her husband.

the happiness worms triggered him

Counter Guardian Issei.

patron of closeted men everywhere

[4score7years]

Counter Guardian Issei.

Atram Galiast, Savior of the Universe

[WhatShouldNotBe]

Before it was about whether or not good!Shinji would work as a HS.

Now it's Shinji character analysis, I guess.

Why all the focus on Shinji lately, I wonder.

I don't know what either.

maybe because unlike a shirt on of characters, he's a villain with no sympathetic side.

Fuckign All the Worlds Evils was slightly sympathetic.

So this character has accomplished things Shinji does not wish to accomplish and is not successful by Shinji's metric for success, why should he care?


Original character donut steel shinjis are the only bad shinjis upon this earth and I will purge them

Holy shit, you're basically saying the only Shinji that can exist are those who are assholes and obey Zouken like his personal fuck toy.

.......

okay, that's just, your opinion.

[4score7years]

I don't know what either.

maybe because unlike a shirt on of characters, he's a villain with no sympathetic side.

Fuckign All the Worlds Evils was slightly sympathetic.

Holy shit, you're basically saying the only Shinji that can exist are those who are assholes and obey Zouken like his personal fuck toy.

.......

okay, that's just, your opinion.

:thinking:

...?

[WhatShouldNotBe]

:thinking:

...?

Goddamn autocorrect.

anyway, let's look at some villains in fate.

angry Manjew: Little kid who was cursed because Humanity is cruel

sympathetic.

Medea: woman who was fucked with by the gods and just wants peace

sympathetic

Gilgamesh: His bestest friend is deaaaaaaaaad

..... okay, very small amount of sympathy.

Zouken: Senile man who just can't remember Justeaze is his Waifu

okay, a lot less sympathetic.

Shinji: Literally just an asshole.

No sympathy

it kinda breaks with the Fate custom of having villains have a compelling motivation. He's an asshole just because he is.

[Magikewl]

Sounds like you don't actually know Shinji at all tbh

[WhatShouldNotBe]

Sounds like you don't actually know Shinji at all tbh

It sounds like you have a very narrow view of who Shinji could be.

[4score7years]

Shinji: Literally just an asshole.

No sympathy

it kinda breaks with the Fate custom of having villains have a compelling motivation. He's an asshole just because he is.

Haven't we already talked about how that's not true like ten times in this thread?

It was the whole "Shinji is the everyman" thing.

Wasn't the entire point that he's not an asshole "just because he is?"

[Kotonoha]

Holy shit, you're basically saying the only Shinji that can exist are those who are assholes

Well yeah

Even "good" Shinji (as in the one that actually exists pre-grail war, post-grail war, Hollow) is still an asshole. Even when he does things to help others, he only does it behind their backs while still insulting them to their face so they don't realize he cares (because he hates warm fuzzy feelings). That's his personality, it's separate from his morality.

[WhatShouldNotBe]

Haven't we already talked about how that's not true like ten times in this thread?

It was the whole "Shinji is the everyman" thing.

Wasn't the entire point that he's not an asshole "just because he is?"

there is no redeeming feature of Shinji would be more accurate I guess.

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Well yeah

Even "good" Shinji (as in the one that actually exists pre-grail war, post-grail war, Hollow) is still an asshole. Even when he does things to help others, he only does it behind their backs while still insulting them to their face so they don't realize he cares (because he hates warm fuzzy feelings). That's his personality, it's separate from his morality.

Being an asshole does not preclude him from you know, being a good brother.

it just means he has to be a Jerk with a Heart of Gold

[4score7years]

Well yeah

Even "good" Shinji (as in the one that actually exists pre-grail war, post-grail war, Hollow) is still an asshole. Even when he does things to help others, he only does it behind their backs while still insulting them to their face so they don't realize he cares (because he hates warm fuzzy feelings). That's his personality, it's separate from his morality.

That's fair. I meant more "he's not an unrepentant evil villain just because he is."

But I'm kinda bored of this discussion. It doesn't really belong in this thread anymore anyway.

[Kotonoha]

But I'm kinda bored of this discussion. It doesn't really belong in this thread anymore anyway.

yeah my bad this is the downside to activity stream browsing, carry on creating-a-servant (2)