Create-A-Servant 2

[Kabalisto Koga]

find a fancy word for gluttony that isn't gluttony
or it'd just be the same comparison as Primate Murder

Isnt Primate Murder not the Beast of Gaia and in Chaldea called Fou ?

[MehKitteh]

Consumption would be a good Evils of Humanity.

Just look at FGO players.

[Crying]

find a fancy word for gluttony that isn't gluttony
or it'd just be the same comparison as Primate Murder

Consumption would be a good Evils of Humanity.

Just look at FGO players.

Well, I mean, he eats Tyr's hand and he's fated to eat the sun but beyond those parts consumption doesn't seem to be a huge part of Fenrir's character. Not that the Eddas give him much of a personality or anything, but what little of his behaviour we get doesn't really seem to make him the best possible representation of Gluttony/Consumption. I agree that it would be a good 'evil of humanity' to show up - except for being a little blurry on 'hate born of love' - with it possible tying into humanity's relationship with Gaia via 'consuming nature's resources to fuel themselves', but I'm not sure Fenrir would be the best figure to represent it.

Consumption or Pride works, literally devouring the gods to bring about your age.

Wasn't it said a couple pages back that Pride would be too similar to Goetia's Pity? Besides, Lucifer would probably be a better representation of that concept anyways. "Devouring the gods to bring about your age" is a good, somewhat abstract and metaphorical way of tying Fenrir to the concept of Consumption as a human evil, however, so props for that. It ties into humans 'consuming' the World's mystery to end the Age of Gods and start the Age of Man, but I'm once again not sure if Fenrir would be the best representation of that - 'consuming the World's mystery' basically just means that people learned about stuff until they understood it and it wasn't mysterious anymore, AKA learning, so maybe it could go to a monstrous figure associated with knowledge instead of a giant sun-eating wolf?

Something related to distrust could be a fitting sin as well

Distrust seemed like an odd concept to get a Beast at first, but it makes sense once you stop to think about it and it does tie into Fenrir's legend. However, it falls into the same problem as the first example I gave - it was the gods that distrusted Fenrir and made him into an enemy, not humans, so him being a Beast representing that evil seems a little off.

[pinetree]

If I had to make Fenrir a Beast, I would make him the Beast of Rebellion, never satisfied with the current state of things, always seeking to destroy the current establishment. He hates humanity for living under the Age of Gods for so long, for accepting and loving those rulers, but also loves them because they overthrew the divine and build up their own age.
Even then, the Age of Man has gone on for too long, he can't accept the world not progressing beyond that.
Fenrir will never be satisfied, always seeking a revolution. Eventually he'll be the herald of the Ragnarok, so that everything can be destroyed and a new era can be born.
Make his Nega skill deny those with the Star attribute, even if they are revolutionary within the Age of Man, he's a revolutionary for all existence.

After we defeat him, he can have a speech about how we managed to overthrow even our own evils, and that with this he ban be satisfied a while longer.

[pinetree]

Also I don't see how Pride is similar to Goetia's Pity at all.

[King of Padoru]

If I remember correctly, Goetia's Pity is something like "I feel bad for humans because they're a piece of shit". That sounds quite arrogant for me

[asterism42]

One of the seven human vices, the beast carrying the principle of “pity” (the extravagance of humans pitying humans and being disappointed. Such is Goetia’s animality).

To me it feels like an adult looking down and feeling sorry for a particularly stupid child. The pity of feeling sorry for someone inferior to you.

[pinetree]

Yeah I agree with asterism, it's about how he thinks we're so inferior and are suffering so much it's better to start over, not about how he's so much better than us.

[asterism42]

Oh, no I was agreeing with the pride thing. The tacit implication being that he's allowed to pity everyone else because he's so much better than they are.

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Despite that not really being the case, since he loses a fistfight to someone only slightly more magically adept than the average muggle.

[pinetree]

I mean the implication is there but the focus is on how we're bad, not how he's good, Pride doesn't fit it and could totally be a different evil.

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Though he definitely acts like a prideful prick, so I guess the connection is stronger there, but eh, I still don't see it haha

[Crying]

Even if Pride and Pity were different evils, I'm not sure how'd they manifest/express themselves differently.

[Daneel Rush]

You don't need to be prideful to feel pity towards others. If anything, the "sin" of Pity is believing you can allow yourself to pity others for their faults, while remaining unaware of the fact you're just as lacking, if not worse.

[pinetree]

Even if Pride and Pity were different evils, I'm not sure how'd they manifest/express themselves differently.

Pity: you're all so poor and sad and you can't do anything about your own suffering, so I'm going back and starting over
Pride: I'm better than everyone so I should rule you/replace you with a better race, because you all don't deserve to exist with me or smth

[RoydGolden]

Pride: I'm better than everyone so I should rule you/replace you with a better race, because you all don't deserve to exist with me or smth

Thing is, that describes Goetia's actions to a T. His "Pity" is just Pride wearing a pretty mask.

[Spartacus]

it's the thought that counts

[pinetree]

Thing is, that describes Goetia's actions to a T. His "Pity" is just Pride wearing a pretty mask.

I still don't think it's the same, but I will concede that they're similar enough that Pride shouldn't be one of the other vices.

[Kabalisto Koga]

it's the thought that counts

Ähm sorry for asking but about what is going now the discusion ?

[Spartacus]

Ähm sorry for asking but about what is going now the discusion ?

Qualification for Beast Class, mainly their corresponding Sin.

[Shiki-pon]

Ähm sorry for asking but about what is going now the discusion ?

They were discussing Beast-Fenrir's "Evil of Humanity" (a quality that is apparently shared by all Beasts) and then digressed to talk about the revealed Beasts' Evils.

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[Bird of Hermes]

Something related to distrust could be a fitting sin as well

"Fear"