Well-informedOriginally Posted by RoydGolden
Well-informed
good post +1
servant sheets should be bare bones like in canon.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Considering exactly how verbose your own Servant sheets have been, I assume I can safely say you're being ironic?
Also, part of the reason the canon sheets can afford to be 'bare bones' is because further details are given in the actual source material (novel/VN/manga/what have you), of which they're meant to stand in supplement to. Whereas sheets posted here have no 'source material' to flesh them out and so all the details need to be already present.
i don't make servant sheets anymore
i write cm3 knock-off things
v different
like how moc doesn't write servant sheets, he writes matricies
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
...Okay. That seems rather a technicality, though.
More effort. Just build a skeleton, other people can add the flesh if they want.
Effort is great. Ganbarimasu!
It's a very important distinction.
Like you said.
which is very true.Also, part of the reason the canon sheets can afford to be 'bare bones' is because further details are given in the actual source material (novel/VN/manga/what have you), of which they're meant to stand in supplement to. Whereas sheets posted here have no 'source material' to flesh them out and so all the details need to be already present.
But that means the intent behind "servant sheets" as well as the information people put in them is limited by a framework that's meant to be bare bones. Basically, structure does not match content. You can load up your sheet with as much as you like, but then it doesn't feel authentic. At the end of the day this is supposed to be a GD thread, authenticity should matter or at least you should make it as authentic as possible, otherwise the thread itself should go in the fanfic forum.
A cm3 framework allows for more information without the cost of making it feels less authentic. Same with a matrix framework, but information is displayed in a different way.
Even the framework from the statuses of the original SN VN with the history tab allows for more freedom of expression than the Zero/Apo styled skeleton most commonly used.
In conclusion the difference between these frameworks isn't a technicality. It's an entirely different way of approaching a Servant. After all, this is "create-a-servant" not "create-a-servant-sheet."
Last edited by You; October 2nd, 2016 at 01:13 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
That's fair enough, I suppose. It is true that, when I look at some of the canon TM sheets, they're a lot sparser then the ones I make. In general, mine could probably use to be a bit sparser sometimes (since I usually have trouble conveying any NP in less then like 2-3 paragraphs at least) but it's always a balance of that and preserving the proper details.
Also, I don't intend to base my formatting exactly off Nasu's in any case, but rather what suits my own purposes of Servant-crafting the most. For one thing, I almost never include lore since it's usually a bother but always write up a personality section (with sometimes bits of lore smuggled in), whereas the official sheets do the exact opposite.
It's interesting that we all have different philosophies on these sorts of things.
Say, how believable the Root being Yog-Sothoth is? Was thinking about making a Randolph Carter caster.
I think the Root is a rather different concept altogether. Nasuverse doesn't run off of Lovecraftian cosmology (though there are certainly elements here and there, like with Gilles).
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Don't get me wrong, a Randolph Carter Servant sounds like an interesting idea (though bear in mind I'm not too familiar with Lovecraft) but I think you'd be better off leaving the Root out of it. If you want to draw a direct comparison between Lovecraftian 'Gods' and Nasuverse beings, I'd suggest True Demons which are explicitly described as incomprehensible and pretty much beyond human power. There's even an out-and-out reference to Lovecraft!
Helena Blavatsky was convinced the Root was aliens talking to her from Lemuria, there's no accounting for crazy.
That's the difference, though. She believed it, but it wasn't actually explicitly stated to be the truth in any lore materials or anything.
So, you could certainly have Randolph believe the Root is tied with old Yog (maybe, again, not too familiar with Lovecraftian mythos) but I wouldn't take it any farther then that.
for servant sheets it's a catch-22
the sparser you make your sheet the more authentic it is, but at the same time the Servant becomes less of a character and more of a pile of numbers.
the more bloated your sheet is, the more of a character the servant is but the less authentic it is. Also it's more annoying to read, not because of the number of words but the intent of the formatting itself clashes.
after realizing that I quit trying to find a sweet spot and did something else instead.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Yeah, it's always a matter of finding a healthy balance. I feel like I've struck the sweet spot in some of my sheets, but it's hit-or-miss.
More people should do Prototype sheets. Don't even bother describing or giving ranks for anything.
Calling it the Root is also a belief rather than a truth in lore. Giving 「」a name means it has a limit and it has no limit.
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what software do you use to make spider graphs?
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the implication in that argument was there was no sweet spot unless you wrote a fanfic and then wrote up servant sheets for that fanfic and posted them together. but then that should go in the fanfic thread.
There are only sweeter and bitter-er spots.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I know this is sort of digressing from the point, but naming something definitely isn't the same as giving it a 'limit'. You can give a name for 'Infinity' and that doesn't magically make it not infinite anymore. Heck, you can even talk about and compare different kinds and levels of infinity, which are still all 'limitless' in a sense.
Though, I guess it depends whether you mean a 'limit' in a strict Mathematical sense or just a limit in how you apply the concept, as in 'It's this, not that'. Even infinity has 'limits' in that regard (it's not a potato, not an artichoke, not a type of restaurant, et cetera...)
Last edited by RoydGolden; October 2nd, 2016 at 02:30 PM.
She got captured and put into embarrassing position by aliens. But they released her and gave her true majik after she saved their gacha luck.
Please take this non-canon opinion to the fanfic forum, it doesn't belong in GD.
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