Confusion
Confusion
I left this thread for approximately 1 day and literally 3 new people (that I've never heard of), 2 sheets, somebody sticking up to Koga's rather grating ignorance to the 'criticism' he asked, and 2 pages of thread appears.
Execute C:\local\lib\toh.exe?
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Dreams of swallow cuts.
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Yeah, who the hell is MehKitteh.
I know right.
Execute C:\local\lib\toh.exe?
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Dreams of swallow cuts.
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summs up a lot of my ironic weeaboo circles
I think it's mostly how they're done. None of them do anything but screw up the lore.
-Cu and Jeane Alters: Being wished into being by freaking GRAILS. The whole point of the Holy Grails is that they weren't truly omnipotent. Holy Grails can't bring people back from the dead, but can make an entirely different version of another person? That seems to be a huge stretch to me.
-All the Rhongomyiad Alters: ARTHUR FUCKING USED THE SPEAR IN HIS LEGEND, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THERE TO BE A WHOLE OTHER FREAKING TINELINE DEDICATED TO THAT SPEAR. Seriously, just allow Arturia to be summoned as a Lancer as is. The whole thing was just an excuse for a guy to give his waifu boobs.
-EMIYA Alter: Meh
I can't speak for the rest of your critiques, but the Grail is responsible for summoning Heroic Spirits to begin with. Is it really so unbelievable it could distort them in some way too? This seems like somewhat arbitrary suspension of disbelief to me. Also it's odd that you only mention Cu and Jeanne here, and not Arturia, who also became an Alter through exposure to the Grail.
Also, was it ever stated in lore that for sure a Grail can't bring someone back from the dead? I know the Grails we got in GO couldn't save Mashu, but I figured that was because of the unique nature of her predetermined lifespan (so saving her wasn't just a matter of healing an injury, but rewriting her very existence), not a general fact that they can't revive the dead at all. The Holy Grail is supposed to be able to bring about miracles, so not being able to revive the dead (one of the most archetypal examples of a miracle) seems a little strange to me. But maybe there's just some lore I'm forgetting here.
I feel like that's ignoring why they made a big deal of Rhongomyniad in the Camelot Singularity.
I guess the /GO Alters are more of 'summoning distorted facets of the Heroic Spirit' thing, especially with something like EMIYA Alter and Jeanne Alter.
But then again, we all know what corrupted them; Capitalism.
Execute C:\local\lib\toh.exe?
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Dreams of swallow cuts.
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summs up a lot of my ironic weeaboo circles
Also as an FYI, iirc Resurrection is basically impossible in the Nasuverse, and it's something that even True Magic can't do. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm off.
I'm not sure about the Eightfold Blessings, but it's likely that it's unique to it due to being a Divine Authority or something. In Fou's case, that was him using up all his power as a Beast to do the resurrection, something that while it works also renders Fou as just a normal animal with lessened cognitive ability. Again, someone correct me if I'm even a little off.
If I'm not mistaken, Mashu was resurrected because she died inside Ars Paulina, where death doesn't count or something to that effect, giving Fou enough leeway to bring her back.
Regarding the Eightfold Blessings:
Now mind you, I pulled this from the wiki, so take this with a grain of salt, and cite me if it's wrong.It is normally a divine treasure of the land of the dead that can even bring the deceased back to life, done by deploying boundaries that can isolate the principles active in the world of the dead, but the Servant form of Caster hasn't been granted the authority to use that much power.
Basically answering these in reverse. In HF, even the Third Magic couldn't have brought Shirou back from the dead, so Illya did the best thing she could, manifest Shirou's yet departed soul into a physical form so that it could be put into a new body. The Fifth Magic can "undo dsath" within a limited amount of time, but even for it, true resurrection is impossible.
Saber Alter is merely Arturia corrupted by Angra Manyu's influence, she didn't have her entire history altered. And to answer your very first question, to that degree, yes, yes it is.
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Saber
Identity: Nynniaw map Beli Mawr
Also known as: Nennius of Britain
Height: 184 cm
Weight: 79 kg
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Attribute: Human
Origin: Britain
Armament: Sword and shield
Likes: Victory
Dislikes: Situations in which he can’t do anything to win
Talents: One versus one
Natural enemy: Gaius Julius Caesar
Parameters
Strength: B
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Luck: C+
Mana: D
NP: B
Background
Personality
Skills
Noble Phantasm
Relations
Last edited by King of Padoru; June 5th, 2018 at 01:10 PM.
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