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    Quote Originally Posted by Gally View Post
    By Frey you mean porn right?
    LOL no. Then I wouldn't have been able to show it to anybody, friend or not. Thankfully it was something innocuous rather then say, "big-tittied anime girls getting hardcore banged"...

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    Create-a-Servant became Royd's Facebook account so gradually I didn't notice before it was a done deal.
    You're seriously exaggerating. I hardly post that much personal stuff here, and this is at least vaguely relevant to Servant-crafting...

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    The aristeia's like two hundred lines, so I'm not translating it all. But:

    Quote Originally Posted by 11.90-98
    τῆμος σφῇ ἀρετῇ Δαναοὶ ῥήξαντο φάλαγγας
    κεκλόμενοι ἑτάροισι κατὰ στίχας: ἐν δ᾽ Ἀγαμέμνων
    πρῶτος ὄρουσ᾽, ἕλε δ᾽ ἄνδρα Βιάνορα ποιμένα λαῶν
    αὐτόν, ἔπειτα δ᾽ ἑταῖρον Ὀϊλῆα πλήξιππον.
    ἤτοι ὅ γ᾽ ἐξ ἵππων κατεπάλμενος ἀντίος ἔστη:
    τὸν δ᾽ ἰθὺς μεμαῶτα μετώπιον ὀξέϊ δουρὶ
    νύξ᾽, οὐδὲ στεφάνη δόρυ οἱ σχέθε χαλκοβάρεια,
    ἀλλὰ δι᾽ αὐτῆς ἦλθε καὶ ὀστέου, ἐγκέφαλος δὲ
    ἔνδον ἅπας πεπάλακτο: δάμασσε δέ μιν μεμαῶτα.
    Then, by their courage, the Danaans broke through the press,
    Calling to their comradess through the ranks; and Agamemnon
    Rushed in first, taking down a man called Bianor, a shepherd of the host –
    Him, and then his comrade Oileus, the driver of horses.
    Oileus sprang down from his chariot to attack, standing face-to-face with him;
    But, as he raged on toward him, Atreus’ son thrust his sharp spear through
    His forehead; and his helmet, heavy with bronze as it was, did not stop the spear.
    Instead, it went right through metal and bone, and all of his brain
    Was spattered about in his skull. So Agamemnon mastered his rage.


    Quote Originally Posted by 11.129-147
    ὃ δ᾽ ἐναντίον ὦρτο λέων ὣς
    Ἀτρεΐδης: τὼ δ᾽ αὖτ᾽ ἐκ δίφρου γουναζέσθην:
    ‘ζώγρει Ἀτρέος υἱέ, σὺ δ᾽ ἄξια δέξαι ἄποινα:
    πολλὰ δ᾽ ἐν Ἀντιμάχοιο δόμοις κειμήλια κεῖται
    χαλκός τε χρυσός τε πολύκμητός τε σίδηρος,
    τῶν κέν τοι χαρίσαιτο πατὴρ ἀπερείσι᾽ ἄποινα,
    εἰ νῶϊ ζωοὺς πεπύθοιτ᾽ ἐπὶ νηυσὶν Ἀχαιῶν.’

    ὣς τώ γε κλαίοντε προσαυδήτην βασιλῆα
    μειλιχίοις ἐπέεσσιν: ἀμείλικτον δ᾽ ὄπ᾽ ἄκουσαν:
    εἰ μὲν δὴ Ἀντιμάχοιο δαΐφρονος υἱέες ἐστόν,
    ὅς ποτ᾽ ἐνὶ Τρώων ἀγορῇ Μενέλαον ἄνωγεν
    ἀγγελίην ἐλθόντα σὺν ἀντιθέῳ Ὀδυσῆϊ
    αὖθι κατακτεῖναι μηδ᾽ ἐξέμεν ἂψ ἐς Ἀχαιούς,
    νῦν μὲν δὴ τοῦ πατρὸς ἀεικέα τίσετε λώβην.

    ἦ, καὶ Πείσανδρον μὲν ἀφ᾽ ἵππων ὦσε χαμᾶζε
    δουρὶ βαλὼν πρὸς στῆθος: ὃ δ᾽ ὕπτιος οὔδει ἐρείσθη.
    Ἱππόλοχος δ᾽ ἀπόρουσε, τὸν αὖ χαμαὶ ἐξενάριξε
    χεῖρας ἀπὸ ξίφεϊ τμήξας ἀπό τ᾽ αὐχένα κόψας,
    ὅλμον δ᾽ ὣς ἔσσευε κυλίνδεσθαι δι᾽ ὁμίλου.
    Then, like a lion, Atreus’ son charged on
    Against them, and they both fell to their knees in the chariot:
    “Take us alive, son of Atreus, and you’ll get a worthy ransom;
    Many treasures are storied in the halls of Antimakhos –
    Bronze and gold and well-wrought iron –
    Our father would favour you with a ransom beyond reckoning
    If he were to learn that we two were still alive by the ships of the Akhaians.”

    So the two of them wailed, addressing the King
    With sweet words; but they heard bitter ones in reply.
    “If you are the sons of war-minded Antimakhos –
    Who once in the assembly of the Trojans demanded that
    Menelaos (who’d come on an embassy with godlike Odysseus)
    Should immediately be put to death and not be sent back to the Akhaians –
    Then now you’ll pay the pay the price for his disgusting lack of honour.”

    He spoke, then thrust Peisandros from his chariot to the ground,
    Throwing his spear through his chest; he pinned him to the earth on his back.
    Hippolokhos then sprang down – and he was killed next on the ground,
    His hands cut off with Agamemnon’s sword, and his neck severed,
    And his head sent rolling like a stone through the crowd.


    Quote Originally Posted by 11.153-180
    ἀτὰρ κρείων Ἀγαμέμνων
    αἰὲν ἀποκτείνων ἕπετ᾽ Ἀργείοισι κελεύων.
    ὡς δ᾽ ὅτε πῦρ ἀΐδηλον ἐν ἀξύλῳ ἐμπέσῃ ὕλῃ,
    πάντῃ τ᾽ εἰλυφόων ἄνεμος φέρει, οἳ δέ τε θάμνοι
    πρόρριζοι πίπτουσιν ἐπειγόμενοι πυρὸς ὁρμῇ:
    ὣς ἄρ᾽ ὑπ᾽ Ἀτρεΐδῃ Ἀγαμέμνονι πῖπτε κάρηνα
    Τρώων φευγόντων, πολλοὶ δ᾽ ἐριαύχενες ἵπποι
    κείν᾽ ὄχεα κροτάλιζον ἀνὰ πτολέμοιο γεφύρας
    ἡνιόχους ποθέοντες ἀμύμονας: οἳ δ᾽ ἐπὶ γαίῃ
    κείατο, γύπεσσιν πολὺ φίλτεροι ἢ ἀλόχοισιν.

    Ἕκτορα δ᾽ ἐκ βελέων ὕπαγε Ζεὺς ἔκ τε κονίης
    ἔκ τ᾽ ἀνδροκτασίης ἔκ θ᾽ αἵματος ἔκ τε κυδοιμοῦ:
    Ἀτρεΐδης δ᾽ ἕπετο σφεδανὸν Δαναοῖσι κελεύων.
    οἳ δὲ παρ᾽ Ἴλου σῆμα παλαιοῦ Δαρδανίδαο
    μέσσον κὰπ πεδίον παρ᾽ ἐρινεὸν ἐσσεύοντο
    ἱέμενοι πόλιος: ὃ δὲ κεκλήγων ἕπετ᾽ αἰεὶ
    Ἀτρεΐδης, λύθρῳ δὲ παλάσσετο χεῖρας ἀάπτους.
    ἀλλ᾽ ὅτε δὴ Σκαιάς τε πύλας καὶ φηγὸν ἵκοντο,
    ἔνθ᾽ ἄρα δὴ ἵσταντο καὶ ἀλλήλους ἀνέμιμνον.

    οἳ δ᾽ ἔτι κὰμ μέσσον πεδίον φοβέοντο βόες ὥς,
    ἅς τε λέων ἐφόβησε μολὼν ἐν νυκτὸς ἀμολγῷ
    πάσας: τῇ δέ τ᾽ ἰῇ ἀναφαίνεται αἰπὺς ὄλεθρος:
    τῆς δ᾽ ἐξ αὐχέν᾽ ἔαξε λαβὼν κρατεροῖσιν ὀδοῦσι
    πρῶτον, ἔπειτα δέ θ᾽ αἷμα καὶ ἔγκατα πάντα λαφύσσει:
    ὣς τοὺς Ἀτρεΐδης ἔφεπε κρείων Ἀγαμέμνων
    αἰὲν ἀποκτείνων τὸν ὀπίστατον: οἳ δ᾽ ἐφέβοντο.
    πολλοὶ δὲ πρηνεῖς τε καὶ ὕπτιοι ἔκπεσον ἵππων
    Ἀτρεΐδεω ὑπὸ χερσί: περὶ πρὸ γὰρ ἔγχεϊ θῦεν.
    Then the Lord Agamemnon,
    Unceasing in his slaughter, pursued while shouting on the Argives.
    As when the scouring fire ravages an untamed wood,
    And the whirling wind spreads it everywhere; the thickets,
    Overpowered by the rush of the fire, fall with their very roots torn out –
    So the heads of the fleeing Trojans fell to
    Agamemnon, Atreus’ son; and many horses with arched necks
    Rattled empty chariots along the lines of battle,
    Longing for their blameless drivers. But upon the earth
    They lay, far more loved by vultures than their wives.

    But Zeus led Hektor away from the flying missiles and from the dust
    And from the slaughter of men and from the blood and from the roar of battle,
    While the son of Atreus followed, shouting on the Danaans in a voice filled with bloodlust.
    Past the marker of Ilos, son of the forefather Dardanos;
    Down by the middle of the plain; past the fig tree they charged,
    Driving toward the city. And following was always the sharp cry of
    Atreus’ son, his invincible hands stained with foul gore.

    But some still fled in fear across the middle of the plain, like cattle
    Which a lion has scattered in fear when it came on them in the dead of night –
    All run, but to one sheer destruction reveals itself:
    First, seizing her by the neck, he breaks it with his
    Mighty jaws; and, then, he gulps down all the blood and entrails.
    So Atreus’ son harried them, the lord Agamemnon,
    Unceasing in his slaughter of the hindmost, and they fled in fear.
    And many fell from their horses, on either front or back,
    At the hand of Atreus’ son – so he raged around and in front with his spear.


    Quote Originally Posted by 11.248-270
    τὸν δ᾽ ὡς οὖν ἐνόησε Κόων ἀριδείκετος ἀνδρῶν
    πρεσβυγενὴς Ἀντηνορίδης, κρατερόν ῥά ἑ πένθος
    ὀφθαλμοὺς ἐκάλυψε κασιγνήτοιο πεσόντος.
    στῆ δ᾽ εὐρὰξ σὺν δουρὶ λαθὼν Ἀγαμέμνονα δῖον,
    νύξε δέ μιν κατὰ χεῖρα μέσην ἀγκῶνος ἔνερθε,
    ἀντικρὺ δὲ διέσχε φαεινοῦ δουρὸς ἀκωκή.
    ῥίγησέν τ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἔπειτα ἄναξ ἀνδρῶν Ἀγαμέμνων:
    ἀλλ᾽ οὐδ᾽ ὧς ἀπέληγε μάχης ἠδὲ πτολέμοιο,
    ἀλλ᾽ ἐπόρουσε Κόωνι ἔχων ἀνεμοτρεφὲς ἔγχος.

    ἤτοι ὃ Ἰφιδάμαντα κασίγνητον καὶ ὄπατρον
    ἕλκε ποδὸς μεμαώς, καὶ ἀΰτει πάντας ἀρίστους:
    τὸν δ᾽ ἕλκοντ᾽ ἀν᾽ ὅμιλον ὑπ᾽ ἀσπίδος ὀμφαλοέσσης
    οὔτησε ξυστῷ χαλκήρεϊ, λῦσε δὲ γυῖα:
    τοῖο δ᾽ ἐπ᾽ Ἰφιδάμαντι κάρη ἀπέκοψε παραστάς.
    ἔνθ᾽ Ἀντήνορος υἷες ὑπ᾽ Ἀτρεΐδῃ βασιλῆϊ
    πότμον ἀναπλήσαντες ἔδυν δόμον Ἄϊδος εἴσω.

    αὐτὰρ ὃ τῶν ἄλλων ἐπεπωλεῖτο στίχας ἀνδρῶν
    ἔγχεΐ τ᾽ ἄορί τε μεγάλοισί τε χερμαδίοισιν,
    ὄφρά οἱ αἷμ᾽ ἔτι θερμὸν ἀνήνοθεν ἐξ ὠτειλῆς.
    αὐτὰρ ἐπεὶ τὸ μὲν ἕλκος ἐτέρσετο, παύσατο δ᾽ αἷμα,
    ὀξεῖαι δ᾽ ὀδύναι δῦνον μένος Ἀτρεΐδαο.
    ὡς δ᾽ ὅτ᾽ ἂν ὠδίνουσαν ἔχῃ βέλος ὀξὺ γυναῖκα
    δριμύ
    So then as Koōn, distinguished among men and
    Eldest of the sons of Antenor, saw him, terrible grief
    Darkened his eyes for his brother’s fall.
    He stood to one side with his spear, hidden from godlike Agamemnon,
    And pierced him under his hand, through the middle of the elbow,
    And the point of the shining spear went straight through.
    And then he shuddered – the lord of men, Agamemnon –
    But he did not fall back from the fight or the battle,
    And charged at Koōn, holding his wind-seasoned spear.

    For his part, he was dragging his brother by the same father,
    Iphidamos, pulling him by his foot while yelling for the best warriors;
    But, while he was dragging the body through the crowd, Agamemnon stabbed him
    With his bronze-tipped shaft, under his shield, through the navel.
    His limbs went slack; Atreus’ son came up and severed his head over Iphidamas.
    There Antenor’s sons met their fate at the hands of
    Atreus’ son, the King, and went down to Haides’ hall.

    Then he ranged across the other ranks of men,
    With spear and sword and great boulders,
    So long as blood still poured warm from his wound.
    But when the flow dried up and the blood clotted,
    Sharp pains sank their teeth into the mighty son of Atreus:
    It was like when the sharp, stinging arrow strikes a woman
    In the pangs of childbirth.
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    Question from Seika from someone who doesn't know any Greek except for word roots disproportionately related to medical terminology--

    Are you working from modern Greek?

    And if not, how hard is it for you?

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    No no no, this is the proper ~C7th BCE Homeric Greek (probably), with all its idiosyncrasies. I don't know modern Greek except through its predecessor, and it makes me shiver in disgust.

    Right now, I'm kinda rusty because I don't have to keep this up for uni all the time any more, but it's not hard. I have to consult a dictionary every so often, and occasionally curse the dual, but Homer is quite a clear author who's not into excessively complex grammatical structure. He's no Xenophon, whom I can just about sight-read, but nor is he Thucydides, who should be drowned in a well of cat piss.

    Tbh, the worst part of this was trying to indicate in English who was meant by 'he' all the time: Greek has lots of little particles and contextual indicators for when the person has switched, which English doesn't have. It's usually just about comprehensible from context anyway, but it would be very awkward and stumbling to read, so I had to try and work through that.
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    Cool! Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Rush View Post
    Create-a-Servant became Royd's Facebook account so gradually I didn't notice before it was a done deal.
    BL is my twitter
    Twitter is my BL

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    And thus, Srikanth has shown us how Agamemnon could be summoned as a servant. I'd do it my self but...

    *looks at ever growing pile of half finished ideas and projects*

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    To be fair, one of his establishing moments as a character is Odysseus proving to be a much better king than him. But yes, Agamemnon tends to get the unfairly shafted.

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