Great work as always, it's honestly amazing to see how well this is going.
Great work as always, it's honestly amazing to see how well this is going.
Awesome, it's great seeing so many people helping with the translating. Which is something I didn't expect a year ago. I remember when you started translating Servant profiles at the wiki I was worried that it be alot for single person to do, anyway thank you and the others for doing this. It's great.Originally Posted by Clyton
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
bit oot
but why do people even think what dantes did in the final singularity is any different from what other servants did
What do you mean? I don't see anything on the comments
Search my name, its there
Yeah I saw it right after posting. And yeah, weird, I guess they just read escaping space and time too literally and then had their interpretation "confirmed" by his line.
Just misconception.
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if you're a servant directly working for the boss you would expect him to be able to move in and out the HQ. Like Kirei and Koyanskaya can move freely between lostbelts cuz working for unknown mastermind.
next people are gonna be telling me dantes can literally stop time
I want to see that pastebin again of that translated-summary section, but I'm skeptical about Edmond being able to just come and go even if he was their henchmen since that space seems exclusive for Goetia and the Demon Gods (as in, it's being used by them and they aren't giving their "allies" permission). Also, having Edmond say something along the lines of "heyo, I'm breaking in here to help" kinda implies he had to make his own effort to do so.
Of course, I think I may be forgetting or misremembering other things, such as Andromalius trapping Guda in another separate dimension, and that Edmond decided to come first out of his own power to save them (cause if he came on time with the other special event Servants, he won't make it in time to save them), so I'm going to read it through the game logs again.
IIRC Andromalius is all MWUAHAHAHAHAHAH THERE IS NO SINGULARITY TO CONNECT TO YOUR HEROIC SPIRIT FRIENDS GUDAO, NOW DIE LIKE THE TRASH IN THE INCINERATOR YOU ARE and then Dantes is all like I CAME BEYOND LOVE AND HATRED TO STAND BY YOU GUDAO and Jeanne Alter's all I-IT'S NOT LIKE I WANTED TO HELP YOU BAKA I JUST DIDN'T WANT EDMOND TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD and then the rest of the event Servants show up
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So who knows, maybe Dantes made a path for the rest of the Event Servants to go through by providing a conceptual anchor point.
Matte, shikashite TOKI WO TOMAREEEEEEEEE!
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Roman was talking about how the rest of the positions are dealt with servants coming from the 7 main singularities having their fates connected to Guda, but since there is no 8th singularity no one will come to help, then the event servants and Dantes show up. To my impression that implies that even those from events had their fate connected with Guda so they also managed to come. It acts as a surprise for Andromalius cuz I'm sure they did not bother with the event mini singularities (or forgot about them) as well as a confirmation that all events are canon.
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I mean, if those from 7 BIG singularities who had their fates connected with Guda can show up, then why not those who had fates connected with Guda from dozens of SMALL singularities?
i just did a reread
it seems unlikely that what Dantes did is any more special than what other Servants did
i mean we were explained that unlike the other 7 position, the eight position doesnt have "singularities bonds". The 1st to 7th position has bond, not the eighth. Its not that the Chute prevents Servant from appearing, its that Roman speculated that there is nothing that is able to summon Servant helper to begin with.It just that turns out, there is. THe bond not from singularities, but of events.
Nothing was sealing the disposal chute. What Edmond does isnt any different from what the other Servants did; getting inside the Time Temple using bond with Guda and break in to help him.
What's your opinion on Edmond breaking open a path to that area? Because as those servants are from multiple singularities/events, I would assume they wouldn't be together in the beginning like the other 7 groups of singularity servants. I'm thinking something like, Edmond creates a path, then each mini-event servant groups realizes that there's a way to enter the area, even though they couldn't do it like the other singularities cause they are too small, then they started coming in after Edmond appeared.
To summarize, they all had their fates forged with Guda, but since they are in scattered groups, they couldn't come to help until after Edmond broke the spacetime of that area to create an opening. Would that be plausible for what happened then?
EDIT: I just saw castor's post and I agree with it. And sorry for typos cause my phone lol
Last edited by Clyton; April 18th, 2018 at 12:13 AM.
IMO I dont think edmond break open a path or anything like that. at least, no more than how the other Servants did it.; cuz I dont see anything implying that the area is sealed off. Roman simply said "no bond, no one helping here"
at the very least, MHX manifest there on her own instead of following Dantes because she felt the presence of Saber (actually berserker) Raikou, kek
But most of all is that even if dantes said soaring through space time, every servants that went to the time temple which is outside space time to help guda already soars through space time themselves.
Its just that i cant see anything more special that Dantes did compared to the other Servants.
Last edited by castor212; April 18th, 2018 at 12:28 AM.
In the first place, the time temple is in its own imaginary number dimension and Chaldea had to get the Babylonia Art Graph to navigate there. So it's a chain effect where Chaldea first opened a path there to send Guda in, then the servants of each singularities followed through via their bond with Guda. Heck Artoria Lancer Alter got in due to Mordred, who is present there, being the catalyst. Dantes not only had his fate connected to Guda but also Goetia, so out of all servants I would say he is the one with the best chance to get in there compare to the others.
And I think the reason why the event servants did not show up until that point is just for dramatic effect. I mean, we met Mata Hari and Tamamo Cat in Orleans/Septem but they appeared with the event servants, meaning they are considered event servants from Liz's event.
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He can't but as the profile says the effect is so similar that it's a moot point of discussion. Kind of how Medea's spatial movement is similar to true magic but it's not.
i mean its just moving so fast that it looks like time stop from subjective pov
i can already see "dantes can make time temple even better than solomon bla bla bla"
I think that the subjective here means from his own PoV. More of a "thinking so fast that everything seems stopped and forcing his body to go as fast as his mind" thing the way it's explained. It's not a real time stop but it's absurdly fast anyway so it seems like one.
Still the second thing you say would be stretching it too much. I can get the whole breaking space-time thing because the NP description talks about him "definitely being able to escape from abstract prisons such as time and space". But that doesn't mean he can control time, just escape from its constraints with extreme willpower.
Last edited by yokushi; April 18th, 2018 at 08:34 AM.
Maybe he has an advantage against prisons. Time Temple kinda feels like a prison.
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