Fate/Grand Order Mats

[pinetree]

What's your opinion on the others then?
Parvarti, Ishtar, Ereshkigal and Jaguar Man.

Their designs aren't completely recycles, they just goddesses which we probably wouldn't see as Servants anyway, and their personality isn't just the vessel's but rather the original one partly influenced by the vessel, they're the perfect balance. Zhuge has his place taken by Waver completely, the others are goddesses with some TM flavor mixed in.

But on the other hand, I'm thinking about the person whose body is being used as a vessel giving up complete control of themselves to that character.

What's the problem in that? These vessels already were explored enough in their own stories, I don't care if they get sidelined this once for the sake of new characters.

[Gray]

Does Amakusa's Entry help clarify on his arms a bit more?
I am curious as to their total range of abilities.

[Rafflesiac]

Zhuge and his EX NP in a Lostbelt when

[Lily Emilio]

Zhuge and his EX NP in a Lostbelt when

Remember in FZ collab when Justeaze shows up and Artoria be like oh shit we can't win if we don't have Zhuge! He is crucial to our success!
What if...she is talking about his EX NP buffing the team to extreme?

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Oh and pseudo-servant Chen Gong Rani is gonna be a thing isn't it? Goddamnit.

[Iceblade44]

Going from the similar design, it wouldn't surprise me that Chen gong would turn out to be an Atlas alchemist who was in china at that time, I mean Atlas itself is old enough that it was definitely around during the three kingdoms. Plus him creating God Force sounds way to similar to the Atlas notion of creating very powerful and dangerous weapons.

I just wonder whether that mean's Lu Bu's wife is a homunculus

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Also thanks Castor, Nobu's personality was interesting to read, especially the reasoning behind her gender which we got part of in Guda2.

Waver is cool and I love his character but I agree with the sentiment that we didn't get anything about Zhuge. But something that is interesting tho is that from the look of it unlike the cases of Isthar and the rest, while they are merged there personalties remain separate and that Waver having control was just an agreement they decided on. By that thinking then it wouldn't be farfetched for Zhuge to take control again one of these for a dramatic moment or when it concerned him, maybe when he uses his 2nd NP because it seems like Zhuge is still in there, just not doing anything

[Clyton]

It's somewhat disgusting that it's pure Waver, but I suppose there has to be some variance in existing Pseudo-Servants for one to be "host's personality 100%". Also, compared to other Pseudo-Servants who all inhabit Divine Spirits that can't be normally summoned, at least with Zhuge Liang, (I assume like anyone) there's a greater chance for him to be summoned normally as just who he is, and with Chu Siu Biao being left intentionally vague, I have some hope that there's a chance for that so he can display that NP!

[Marros]

But something that is interesting tho is that from the look of it unlike the cases of Isthar and the rest, while they are merged there personalties remain separate and that Waver having control was just an agreement they decided on.

Worth noting Rasputin/Kirei seem to be in the same kind of arrangement.


I also recall something about the Goddess girls being Fusions instead of body sharing because the Goddesses on their own are too strong.

[asterism42]

Rasputin and Kirei are both priests who are hard to kill, there's a connection there. Honestly would not be surprised if Fate!Rasputin was not unlike Kirei in personality, either.

Velvet Liang just seems kinda random.

[Balthizar]

Maybe Zhuge/Waver will get a new outfit later on with a more Chinese aesthetic and some alternate lines that emphasize the Zhuge personality more.

[Iceblade44]

It's somewhat disgusting that it's pure Waver, but I suppose there has to be some variance in existing Pseudo-Servants for one to be "host's personality 100%". Also, compared to other Pseudo-Servants who all inhabit Divine Spirits that can't be normally summoned, at least with Zhuge Liang, (I assume like anyone) there's a greater chance for him to be summoned normally as just who he is, and with Chu Siu Biao being left intentionally vague, I have some hope that there's a chance for that so he can display that NP!

Well for one thing Waver was the first Psuedo Servant. So it really depends on whatever we had later really applied to him

[Balthizar]

Velvet Liang just seems kinda random.

With young Waver, yes. With El Melloi II, I could imagine their personalities being quite similar. That's why I'm not too upset about the 0:100 personality ratio because psudo-servants seem more likely to possess those who are similar to themselves. His third ascension form is the one I can't stand because that similarity is then lost.

[Iceblade44]

Rasputin and Kirei are both priests who are hard to kill, there's a connection there. Honestly would not be surprised if Fate!Rasputin was not unlike Kirei in personality, either.

Velvet Liang just seems kinda random.

Waver is like half Chinese. And him in case files is really crazy on the intellect department so that's probably the connection.

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Maybe Zhuge/Waver will get a new outfit later on with a more Chinese aesthetic and some alternate lines that emphasize the Zhuge personality more.

Agreed

[Deathhappens]

...Is Zhuge Liang even that famous to begin with? I'd heard of him before in Extra and possibly somewhere in Dynasty Warriors, but frankly he seems to be an NPC-type of character most of the time. Would a non-Waver Zhuge Servant be that popular?

@castor, there's a line in Nobu's profile where you call her a "revolutioner". Dunno what the original had, but you might be better off using "revolutionary" (a real word).

Pseudo-Servant Shinji when? And what Spirit would even consent to take over his body?

[You]

yes zhuge is very famous
in the east

[castor212]

Thanks castor

By a little hot, did they mean desert hot or normal burning flame hot? This is important

BUT KENSHIN IS A GIRL YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Chotto atsui
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[You]

also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuge_...of_Zhuge_Liang

[Arashi_Leonhart]

the east doesn't exist

only america

we are the central

we are tianxia

[Deathhappens]

the east doesn't exist

only america

we are the central

we are tianxia

*Wildly gesticulates in European*

[castor212]

I use revolutioner because my electronic dict says revolutioner

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That came out weird

[GundamFSN]

It's somewhat disgusting that it's pure Waver, but I suppose there has to be some variance in existing Pseudo-Servants for one to be "host's personality 100%". Also, compared to other Pseudo-Servants who all inhabit Divine Spirits that can't be normally summoned, at least with Zhuge Liang, (I assume like anyone) there's a greater chance for him to be summoned normally as just who he is, and with Chu Siu Biao being left intentionally vague, I have some hope that there's a chance for that so he can display that NP!

5* Caster non-pseudo Servant Zhuge Liang with 2nd NP when.

Overthrow Zhuge Melloi in gameplay while you're at it too, thanks.

But serioously tho, I did wonder if we'll ever get to see the real Zhuge in action.

yes zhuge is very famous
in the east

My mom is a Sangokushi buff. You can ask her anything.

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Waver is like half Chinese.

Huh? Really?