Then ask questions instead of posting your weird half-baked "theories"
Then ask questions instead of posting your weird half-baked "theories"
I mean just the way you interpret the convertation above you is already weird. You was explaining thr difference between how tamamo's ofudas differ from medea's magic. Then you suddenly go on about japanese magic>magecraft and how we can see that from the great mages that are from japan? Which came out of nowhere and made no sense.
Last edited by Sandstorm77; August 29th, 2016 at 01:48 AM.
"An ideal is only an ideal after all. As long as you embrace that ideal, the friction with reality will continue to increase. So you will someday face reality and will have to pay for your compromises"
ok.
What you are calling "Japanese Magic" and "Magecraft" aren't separate things. Magecraft is just one of several competing translations for 魔術. It's all magic, magecraft, sorcery, whatever. Ignore the super special miracle 魔法 Magic for now.
In modern times, mages and what most people consider magic are mostly based on the European understanding of magic, because the Association is the currently dominant magical culture (along with the Church and their 'miracles'). That includes Rin, Shirou, Aoko, Touko, etc. These characters featured in stories are extraordinary, but they don't represent everyone that comes out of Japan. There are extraordinary magi in other parts of the world too, especially in Europe where magical culture is concentrated.
Also, just because someone comes from Japan doesn't mean they have to use a brand of magic that is indigenous or peculiar to that region. For a lineage with an established foundation, they probably do, but what I mean is that someone like Shirou being an "exceedingly good specialist" has nothing to do with "Japanese magic."
Of course, there are systems of magic all over the world that don't fall under the umbrella of the Association, but most of the time there isn't very much info about them other than passing mentions. Some are labeled 呪術. It's not 100% clear what the difference is from 魔術 (in real life there's no real difference between the terms). It's probably just a subset because the TM definition of 魔術 is very general. Tamamo is an example of someone who can use 呪術. She's also an ancient priestess and goddess avatar so I wouldn't go comparing her to other people.
Don't rely on TV Tropes. It feels like the only people who say "Nasu breaks his own rules all the time" are the people who don't actually read the stories.
Last edited by mewarmo990; August 29th, 2016 at 06:49 AM.
Yes, and it makes sense that many of the featured characters in Type-Moon stories are Japanese, because TM is Japanese and almost all of their readers are Japanese.
Honestly, are there even that many rule breakers from Japan? Touko and Rin are extraordinary, but at the end of the day they both use pretty standard magecraft. Same with Shirou; a Reality Marble's pretty out there, but it's nothing, like, illegal. Archer's a Servant so he's probably stronger than when he was (will be?) alive. Aoko's a Magician, so she doesn't count.
uh so
basically 呪術 is a subset/type of 魔術 right
honestly the description from tamamae profile just makes me confused
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Yes. majutsu is the general term for all the w/e magical-jutsu. There are different kinds of jujutsu. Tamamo's jujutsu contain many curses, charms and other weird shit, but she refuses to use many curses related to the Dakini methods cuz trauma. Meanwhile, Mephisto's jujutsu are classic Western curses, which is from a different branch of jujutsu unrelated to the ones Tamamo uses.
Last edited by Lily Emilio; August 29th, 2016 at 07:54 AM.
tl;dr shit is confusing
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well not really but I wish they give us some more cnocrete stuffs on 術-ism
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An interesting bit that I remember was discussed on occasions: on Herc's entry it says that it could be summoned as Saber, Lancer, Rider or Archer, but no mention of Assassin
(BTW, Lu Bu has the qualifications for 5 classes: Lancer, Rider, Assassin, Berserker and Archer)
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Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.