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[Laserman]

Penthesilea CMT BMCMIIW

Class: Berserker
True Name: Penthesilea
Alias: Berserker of El Dorado
Gender: Female
Source: Greek mythology, Trojan War
Region: Greece
Alignment: Lawful Good
Height: 158 cm
Weight: 49 kg


STR: A+
CON: B+
AGI: C
MGI: A
LCK: D
NP: A


Setting creation: Minase Hazuki
Character design: Shinjirou
CV: Shimamura Yuu


Main works appearance: Fate/Grand Order
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Class Skills


Mad Enhancement: EX
A Skill that strengthen physical ability in exchange of reason.
It is generally possible for her to come to a mutual understanding. However, her reason would be blown away against Achilles and those related to him. And as expected, it would happen as well to a degree towards the abominable Greek heroes. Due to her trauma, it is also possible to happen towards those who calls her beautiful.


Divinity: B
She possesses divinity as the daughter of the war god, Ares.
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Personal Skill


Charisma: B
The innate talent for commanding armies.
After Hector’s death, she had led 12 powerful Amazons as the queen of her tribe and made haste to join the Trojan side of the war.


Golden Rule (Beauty): A
Indicating her destiny of growing into an existence endowed with a perfect beauty akin to that of a goddess, regardless of how she grows.
At the time of Trojan War, it is said that she had been endowed with a beauty that would make one mistakenly thought of her as a goddess. And for that reason, Achilles removed her helmet--


Howl of the War God: A+
A roar that arouses the blood of the war god Ares flowing within her body.
Allies who stand together with her as warriors, as if being led by the war god, are endowed with bravery by this shout.
During the Trojan's War, it is said that the Amazons forces' war cry causes the opponents to tremble violently.


“Special attack against male of the Greek heroes attribute” defined as “those with the same scent as Achilles might very well be Achilles himself which means he must be annihilated and she is particularly fired up”; that is, a check of “whether or not she felt the target is similar to Achilles or not” is performed.


“Who is that man? Iskander. Hmm, he self alleged himself as Heracles and Achilles’ descendant….. and he’s Achilles’ biggest fan….? Then…..there’s no mistake… HE’S ACHILLES! ACHILLEEEEEEES!!!!!”


“Hector of the Gleaming Helmet. Had we been able to join forces, perhaps even that war would have… Well, be that as it may, you had put your life on the line to fight against Achilles; that had made me ends up feeling his lingering scent on you ACHILLESSSSS!!!!!!”


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Outrage Amazon

A Hero to Die by My Rage

Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 1~3
Maximum target: 1 person


Outrage Amazon.
The desire of vengeance against Achilles that sleeps within her; her soul as a warrior that seeks strength; the blood of the war god Ares; all of those are momentarily excited. She deliberately transform herself into a beast who had thrown away all reason, a true mad warrior.
Charging ahead while shouting "ACHILLEEEESSS!!", (even if the enemy is not Achilles, at that moment they are for her) she attacks with every single weapon and body parts she has, and finally deals a finishing blow by biting them, just like a beast.
The ultimate anti-Achilles killing technique.


To digress a bit, a German playwright of the 18th century who went by the name of Heinrich von Kleist had created the play “Penthesilea” which derived itself from the legend of Penthesilea and Achilles. In it, Achilles had fallen in love and personally dropped his weapon (purposefully letting himself be apprehended), challenged Penthesilea on a one-on-one combat, but then was murdered by Penthesilea who had went mad for revenge. What the Amazons subordinates saw was the sight of Penthesilea, biting Achilles’ limbs off his corpse together with a hunting dog.

Trojan Reinforce

Warriors to Rush Upon My War Cry

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Rank: B
Type: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
Range: as much as her howl can reach
Maximum target: -


Trojan Reinforce.
It summons her 12 subordinates, the Amazons troops that she had once led in order to save Troy: Clonie, Polemusa, Derinoe, Evandre, Antandre, Bremusa, Hippothoe, Harmothoe, Alcibie, Antibrote, Derimacheia, and Thermodosa**. Each of them, while possessing noble lineage, had swore a loyalty oath to the queen from their heart; mighty elite Amazons, each equals a thousand soldiers.*** They have an outstandingly high affinity with Penthesilea’s Howl of the War God, able to acquire its effect several times more potent than other Amazons. To add, they are also able to perform a function as a relay.
This Noble Phantasm is linked to the “Penthesilea who participated in the Trojan War”. Berserker Penthesilea avoids “her own figure upon that moment”, and fundamentally unable to make use of this Noble Phantasm. If she manifest in a different Class, it is possible that she would be in possession of this Noble Phantasm.
In the case that she uses this Noble Phantasm while manifesting as a Berserker, in that instant, by means of paradox logic she would change her figure into “the completed Penthesilea, whose beauty akin to even that of a goddess”, yet-------simultaneously, she would be committing a lethal self-contradiction, and the inevitable fate of destruction would be engraved on her spirit core. (In FGO, it is fundamentally not being utilized.)






*Its literally elite warriors, but its a bit too mouthful for my taste
**bit of trivia: these name list came from Smyrnaeus, and other sources actually listed different names for the twelve that accompany Penth. Also, some of their name apparently has their own meaning, among them: Antandre “Preceding Men”, Bremusa “Raging Female”, Hippothoe “Imperious Mare”, Harmothoe “Sharp Nail”.
***this is an idiom in Japanese, which can just translate to super duper mighty warriors. I keep it literal because i like how the prose sounds. Just something to keep in mind for badass versus.
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Personage
First pronoun: watashi
Second pronoun: kisama
Third pronoun: yatsu/** (no honorifics)


- Character
When she is not being engulfed but the anger and desire for revenge towards Achilles, she is a stoic and calm female warrior.
She is severely brutal against her enemies.
Even if one is an ally, she would rage upon them if they were to treat her as a women. Especially taboo are the words “beautiful” and “lovely” due to the trauma she has.
A battle frenzy whose identity is her strength as a warrior.
Due to being a queen, she is fundamentally arrogant.


- Motives and attitude towards Master
Her wish upon the Holy Grail is, obviously, for a rematch against Achilles.
She wishes to dispel her old disgrace, and this time once again carry out an one-on-one battle as a true warrior.


She treats the Master as someone who shows her the way towards the battlefield and someone who prepares trials for her. Something like, “Now, promptly lead me towards the next battlefield.”


- Speech example
“Queen of the Amazoness, Penthesilea. I have come in response to your summon.... But first. If Achilles is here, take him out. I will kill you if you keep it a secret.”
“Heracles, Theseus, and Achilles... Hm. Heroes. Heroes, huh. It is their fault that us Amazons' country was thrown into turmoil. However, I do admit that they are all strong warriors.”
“Treat me not as a woman. I have had enough of such an experience.”
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Historical depiction
Penthesilea is the queen of Amazon in the Greek mythology.
A daughter of Ares, it is said that she also has several sisters, starting with Hippolyte whose belt was stolen by Heracles.


After Hector’s death, the Amazons’ troops that Penthesilea led went to assist the Trojans, fighting against the Achaeans. Afterwards, she went on to fight on a one-on-one combat against the hero on the opposing side, Achilles, yet---------
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Ingame depiction
She is filled with hatred towards Achilles.
Hatred so powerful, that she herself wishes to obtain the Mad Enhancement.


She had went on to fight on a one-on-one combat against Achilles as a warrior. When the match is concluded, the words that she heard Achilles had uttered upon removing her helmet-------
She was astonished.
How absurd, she thought in rage.


She had fought as a warrior. She had not present herself as a woman.
When a hero finishes their fight to the death with a true warrior, they should have looked at the enemy and be relieved. "I won." "I'm glad I didn't die." "Just don't get up."
And yet---
This miscreant, this Achilles---
He dared to utter “beautiful”?
Towards her, the queen of Amazon, a warrior… that is the greatest of insult he can offer.
Because it meant that Achilles had really, truly not even seen her as a warrior.


She raged, raged, and raged; she went even beyond rage.
She could do nothing but sneer at him.
She could do no more than to curse him, amounting to no more than a harassment.


“Then curse you I shall. So that someday, that spear of yours would pierce the one you loved-----”


Whether or not that curse came true.
In what way does that curse hold meaning in his tale.
She cared not.


Inhale that curse.
Remember it each time you place your eye upon that spear, Achilles.
Remember the Amazon queen that you killed with your hand.
Remember of the disgrace you offer me.*


My existence, the queen, and my last moment--------I shall not allow you to lump it in together with those other you have defeated. I shall never allow you to throw it away to the corner of your memory of battlefield.


That alone.
I shall never, ever allow.


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She swore so.
That defeat was, without a doubt, a disgrace carved upon the very core of her existence.
And so she will once again fight him with all of her might, and absolutely, absolutely end him.


And if her being a “beautiful woman” become a hindrance for it, then she must not let it be displayed.


And so Penthesilea, upon being summoned in Chaldea, manifest with the figure of a young woman whose “beauty” is yet to be completed.
And nevertheless, still she possesses her might as a warrior.
As a warrior, she wishes only for victory and strength, so much that she had fallen to madness. She fights--------as a true queen of Amazon.


She believes, that beyond this path, the rematch against the detestable Achilles await her.






*in japan, it mainly means shame, disgrace but, apparently it can also mean rape. Obviously they are referring to the first meaning, but this is a …. touche choice of phrase.
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Connection with other characters
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(transcription impossible due to her going into rage just by seeing the letter)


Theseus
The man who forcefully kidnap and made my younger sister into his wife (and he even throw her away in the end). He’s dead.


Heracles
The man who stole my elder sister’s belt and killed her in the end. He’s dead.


Hippolyte
My respected and beloved sister.


Hector
I regret of being unable to make it in time, but be that as it may, I shall hold out a bit.
Incidentally, I had heard that that miscreant had dragged and pulled your corpse around. Obviously, his infamy must be spread more actively, no?


Artemis
Right now, this situation is… truly, I could never tell of it to my mother…*


Asclepius
I thank you for resurrecting my nephew Hippolytus.
However, that creed in which you believe in… is it not quite extreme…..?


Net online shopping users
Absentee ballot… redelivery? What is this?




*Penthesilea’s mother, Otrera, was considered to be the mythological founder of the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus.
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Comment from Illustrator
When I met Takeuchi-san, he said to me to please draw a female Servant around 14 years old of age. And I was like with immense gratitude do I accept this request as you demand it. The muscular specification was really unexpected, but perhaps this too, is a part of karma. My Amazons (misprinted) CEO is the greatest. (Shinjirou)

In the spirit of full transparency i have to admit there are some parts in this entry that I am uncomfortable with.

What the Amazons subordinates saw was the sight of Penthesilea, biting Achilles’ limbs off his corpse together with a hunting dog.

Jeez.

Artemis
Right now, this situation is… truly, I could never tell of it to my mother…*

And Artemis disappoints yet another fan.

Net online shopping users
Absentee ballot… redelivery? What is this?

This is just reminds of this

But yeah, this Servant's existence is tied to her hatred of Achilles so much, she absolutely despises him. Thanks for the translation and sorry about it making you feel bad.

[neveron]

Penthesilea CMT BMCMIIW (trimmed a bit)

Remember of the disgrace you offer me.*


*in japan, it mainly means shame, disgrace but, apparently it can also mean rape. Obviously they are referring to the first meaning, but this is a …. touche choice of phrase.

In the spirit of full transparency i have to admit there are some parts in this entry that I am uncomfortable with.

Assuming part of it is the bit I quoted in the spoiler (disgrace vs. rape etc.), that might be a stealthy allusion to one interpretation of the myth that's been floating about for a couple decades - to quote Robert Graves' Penthesilia,

Who, for love of that fierce white naked corpse,

Necrophily on her committed

It's, uh, certainly one way to interpret things. The original greek text is frustratingly vague, mostly on account of the actual text, the Aetheopica, being lost. Like a lot of Greek stuff, we're going by paraphrase, summaries, reinterpretations, and scattered fragments.
For example, compare the Epitome of Psuedo-Apollodorus:

Penthesilia, daughter of Otrere and Ares, accidentally killed Hippolyte and was purified by Priam. In battle she slew many, and amongst them Machaon, and was afterwards herself killed by Achilles, who fell in love with the Amazon after her death and slew Thersites for jeering at him.

That's literally all he wrote, I think.

I believe the rest of Type-Moon's stuff on Penthesilia goes for a more traditional "he just removed her helmet to look at her face" interpretation, though, including the rest of her profile - that's seemingly her thoughts upon him just removing her helmet and calling her beautiful, after all!
So maybe it's just an unfortunate alternate reading.

[Kelp24]

isn't the rape only Graves's thing?

[Deathhappens]

Assuming part of it is the bit I quoted in the spoiler (disgrace vs. rape etc.), that might be a stealthy allusion to one interpretation of the myth that's been floating about for a couple decades - to quote Robert Graves' Penthesilia,
It's, uh, certainly one way to interpret things. The original greek text is frustratingly vague, mostly on account of the actual text, the Aetheopica, being lost. Like a lot of Greek stuff, we're going by paraphrase, summaries, reinterpretations, and scattered fragments.
For example, compare the Epitome of Psuedo-Apollodorus:

That's literally all he wrote, I think.

I believe the rest of Type-Moon's stuff on Penthesilia goes for a more traditional "he just removed her helmet to look at her face" interpretation, though, including the rest of her profile - that's seemingly her thoughts upon him just removing her helmet and calling her beautiful, after all!
So maybe it's just an unfortunate alternate reading.

None of the original greek stuff (i.e. the Iliad) so much as mentions Penthesilea or even Amazons taking part in that war at all. The sources that do mention them come over five centuries later and are mostly Roman in origin.

[fire_mountain_30]

The space itself is paralyzed to the point that even the time in that space is paralyzed.

Kiara has all the ID_ES from the Sakura 5.

ok good, but can you also tell me if the BB mats specifically say that she can freeze time in one of her skills?

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sad that they didnt mention how Pent's chained balls have explosive powers and are seemingly sentient

[Balthizar]

couple of questions.

is it true that the mats mention that BB can stop time?

So Kiara has the ID_es of the alter egos? from which alter egos? all 5?

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also, regarding Violet.

the manga explains that she doesnt freeze time, but rather space, but thr mats on her say that it does freeze time.

should i take it as this being TM saying that for them time stop=space freeze? or should i consider that the manga is simply giving a better explanation than the mats?

Any physicist will tell you that time=space, hence the term "spacetime".

[R.Lock]

Incorrect. You can't just equate time and space. That's not how you are supposed to interpret 4-vector.

[pinetree]

ok good, but can you also tell me if the BB mats specifically say that she can freeze time in one of her skills?

I can't read her profile but aren't you confusing BBthotep with BB here?

[Iceblade44]

Ah, so you're a tsundere, then. :-P

No it's one of necessary evil

[fire_mountain_30]

I can't read her profile but aren't you confusing BBthotep with BB here?

Yeah.

Sorry, the source I got it from didnt clarify which BB and because of the mats, I figured it was regular BB

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sad that they didnt mention how Pent's chained balls have explosive powers and are seemingly sentient

Castor, can you please confirm if this is accurate?

[Balthizar]

Incorrect. You can't just equate time and space. That's not how you are supposed to interpret 4-vector.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that they were the same. What I meant was that space and time are intrinsically linked l, and one can't be defined without the other. If you freeze time, you also freeze space and vice-versa

[yokushi]

None of the original greek stuff (i.e. the Iliad) so much as mentions Penthesilea or even Amazons taking part in that war at all. The sources that do mention them come over five centuries later and are mostly Roman in origin.

As far I know, Penthesilea comes from the Aethiopis, and that's more or less from 600 BC. Roman sources had nothing to do with that, same with the Little Iliad.

[SpoonyViking]

As far I know, Penthesilea comes from the Aethiopis, and that's more or less from 600 BC.

I'd say it's not improbable her story is older than that, even if there are no surviving fragments.

[Deathhappens]

As far I know, Penthesilea comes from the Aethiopis, and that's more or less from 600 BC. Roman sources had nothing to do with that, same with the Little Iliad.

Despite being poorly attested, the Aethiopis is frequently cited in modern scholarship on the Homeric Iliad.[1] It is one of the most important paradigms used in Neoanalytic scholarship on Homer because of strong similarities between its story of Achilles, Antilochus, and Memnon, and the Iliadic story of Achilles, Patroclus, and Hector; the claim that such a similarity exists is known as the "Memnon theory".[2]

I'd personally never heard of this before, the Wikipedia only cites one reference work which is in German (actually usually a good sign, but I can't verify anything it says) and even the article itself says it'a a contentious source, only a fragment of it was saved and we don't actually know who wrote it. Most of what we know of Penthesilea comes from Pseudo-Apollodorus and the Aeneiad.

[asterism42]

Isn't that what Medea did to Archer in UBW?
Although she could only do that in her workshop, as I recall.

She squashes him in place with air pressure, I believe.

[8000]

Theseus comes off as more of an ass here than he did in Asterios' profile. Not sure how they'll reconcile that.

[Marros]

Theseus Alter.

[Bobin]

Just a facet of his life. Pointless to scrutiny it until the full picture surfaces.

[SpoonyViking]

Theseus comes off as more of an ass here than he did in Asterios' profile. Not sure how they'll reconcile that.

Different opinions by different people? Not sure why that would be difficult, to be honest.

[yokushi]

I'd personally never heard of this before, the Wikipedia only cites one reference work which is in German (actually usually a good sign, but I can't verify anything it says) and even the article itself says it'a a contentious source, only a fragment of it was saved and we don't actually know who wrote it. Most of what we know of Penthesilea comes from Pseudo-Apollodorus and the Aeneiad.

It depends, if it really was a popular thing to represent in vases it probably had a source prior to the Roman ones, also we have mentions about what the Aethiopis was actually about. Add that the Amazonomachy was a popular motif in Classic Greece too. All of that makes very possible that the story itself is from before Roman times, it's just like with most of the epic cycles, we lost the original source.