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Keikenchi should be in charge of JP Servants, period.
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Keikenchi should be in charge of JP Servants, period.
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Assassin Ushi is fine, if anything expecting anything out of summer Servant's that's not anything more then what you should expect is the mistake. She has some neat pores, don't expect a different character from it.
What are you talking about on the Sakura Five Goddesses? Forget that we see those goddess seperate from the Alter Ego's already? Brynhild, Artemis, Parvati, Medusa. Even from the get go even if they are parts of the goddesses never makes it that they take their place.
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This unironically.
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Fgo is TM core. To deny that is stupid. This is literally where the whole of TM has been has been working on for years. This is TM, whether you like it or no.She's also not precisely a Poochie because she does not really ruin something classical on her own, with FGO being pretty disconnected from TM core at this point. For better or worse.
But I do find it funny how aside of Shimosa there is more than one story segment where Guda and Mashu are on their way to the proverbial fireworks factory, and run into Musashi who then wastes their time talking about herself for 4-6 nodes.
And the 'maybe there is just nothing inventive you can or should do about a long series that has completely played itself out' argument holds basically in the exact same way.
She's pushed really hard by the writing, and does not have much soul or personality to her.
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Saying Musashi just pops up to waste their time is also wrong. That's not what happens, it's just an extreme take on it. If your saying she doesn't have a soul or personality pretty much goes against whatever I've read about her, whether it's snippets in Shimousa or her parts in Anastasia. If you don't like her personality or character that's different then just blindly saying she doesn't have one when that's true
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But we didn't know this when CCC came out. And at the time, as it does now, the 'BB absorbed this many GODS' felt about as excitingly sympathetic as 'Goku trained for 1000 years'. Like someone just threw out a bunch of names and wasted a whole bunch of potential.
Artemis is jumbled up through people in-story complaining she's nothing like Artemis, Parvati is to some degree an impostor, as is Ishtar and to a lesser degree Ereskigal (since Extra Rin is less of a fanservice bait and works more as a joke here, even if Luvia would have been funnier).
It's not so much about the writing of them, which is fine, more about the marketing approach. It's like they don't believe they can represent these characters well enough on their own, so they add some dumb twist like it being actually Waver, a character another person wrote before them so they know how to write him.
There are a lot more impostors in FGO cast, I even like some of them. Sasaki is to begin with an impostor, but he was supposed to be a rare case, and now he's not. Mephistopheles, just like him, is basically just some homunculus too, but unlike Sasaki and just like Alteregos has nothing to do with the source material, which just makes you ask why this character even exists in this franchise.
It's like they don't trust their own ability to write well fundamentally, so they default to what they think people would like. Huh.
I sure do like Warcraft and Diablo lore!
(I mean, they just said in the last interview FGO is its own thing thematically.)
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No matter how unfair the mats profiles are it's better then by a wide ton compared to some of the first mats like phantoms, it's not like their being brief because they have nothing it's the opposite. Like Phantom thing that they intended was taking Eric's genius engineering skills from the book and applying it to Carter's Master failed morbid craft in Zero to emphasive that he is a genius to pull it off and also emphasis his creepyness and sense of wrongness, like shown with his colortura in Shinjuku. But nowhere is that mentioned in his profile outside of some bits in his NP. And that's not to mention his lack of backstory to explain his circums5ances about him and his ugliness since he's actually quite good looking in Fate which I'm sure they have since they do have since they do hint out but still leave it with nothing. Doesn't make this stuff better but it's always something to keep in mind.
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We did at least when the mats came out, when we learned Violet was a mix with Medusa seeing that they could be seperate.
Artemis being jumbled is fine. It's still a myth. You can dislike what TM did with her personality is fine because that is pretty much intentional break from traditional myth tho the mats do have that while there is a break it's not denying the og part is still acknowledged. Calling psuedo- Servant's imposters is fine, except it's imposters in the other direction. Parvati looks like Sakura sure. She isn't tho that's Parvati taking control of her. Same with Ishtar and Eresh.Artemis is jumbled up through people in-story complaining she's nothing like Artemis, Parvati is to some degree an impostor, as is Ishtar and to a lesser degree Ereskigal (since Extra Rin is less of a fanservice bait and works more as a joke here, even if Luvia would have been funnier).
And Mephistopeles is no imposter. He's not taking the place of the original Mephistopeles who is a real demon in the Faust legend then for all intents and purposes he is supposed to be the original, him being a demon was what later people thought. This would be more clear if people realise that Fate Mephisto is based on the historical Faust who was a real life alchemist who died under mysterious circumstances thus spawned legends that he must have contracted with a demon then book Faust which was an adaption to all those folk legends. Saying that is poor writing is only because it isn't made apparent by their roles in in the story. That's it
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"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
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Weird how characters are either 'real history' based or myth based depending on which is less challenging to write. Goethe is pretty damn difficult to make a tribute to for a today's writer, so let's make Mephistopheles just a bumbling retard because that's what really happened, even though it's MUCH LESS INTERESTING than Goethe's Mephistopheles, whom he is named after.
Like you could have Shakespeare who makes profound observations on the nature of life's ups and downs coming from the writer's own heart, or you could have Shakespeare who just keeps quoting his own works and barely does anything else.
You could have Rasputin be a scheming anti-hero coming from the writer's own heart, or you could have him be just Kirei, whom you have already seen someone write, and be done with it.
You could have Hokusai as a character making statements about art at large, or you could make him a tentacle monster and be done with it.
You could have Frankenstein's Monster be monstrous, inhuman, accurate to the book, and a mockery of a human being, or you could just write your run of the mill android waifu that sells and be done with it.
Weird how when Nasu writes Hans Christian Andersen, though, he actually tries to write him as he thinks Hans Christian Andersen would act and speak.
tl;dr Sakurai and Higashide are poor and cowardly writers, don't @ me
I'm not arguing with you over the definition. All the explanations you are giving are exactly the reasons that I consider them seperate, to merge, to mix,to be confused. What all those words mean here is stating that two seperate individual things are being seen as one but that's not how it originally was. Saying Izanagi equals Shiva is saying that that has always been the case that they have always meant to be the same which is not what the words mean here.
Whether it's one word or another doesn't matter, all these words are trying to convey one meaning and that stays the same
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You don't even recognize Oui....
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DOUBLE impostor.
That's not what fucking happened mate. You are being overdramatic over it. If they went absolutely with Goethes Mephisto then what happens to the couple of centuries of Faust myths that was kicking around before Goethe was even born? Goethe version is an adaption like every other legend born from the death Georg Faust, the historical Faust. The name Mephistopeles came before Faust, he didn't invent anything in that story other then the setting and how Faust gets a happy ending and doesn't get ripped a part by demons like every version before. And it's not they don't even on acknowledge Goethe either. They are fully aware of him and how good he was going how theirs a description in a Shakes profile saying he's one of the three best writers ever.
Shakes personality is often played for laughs but that observational part of him is still there, always there. Shakespeare is the personification of the theater with all it's drama and posturing, thats where his character comes from. Don't like, okay you don't like it simple as that. But there is no true interpretation. This is just one that Shakes creator wished to go by(which isn't Higa by the way) just like yours could have also made senseLike you could have Shakespeare who makes profound observations on the nature of life's ups and downs coming from the writer's own heart, or you could have Shakespeare who just keeps quoting his own works and barely does anything else.
Rap is most certainly Nasu on here, what the og character is like we will see. Disappointing to see Kirei in control but it looks like it's to soon to say anything definite on that one tho.You could have Rasputin be a scheming anti-hero coming from the writer's own heart, or you could have him be just Kirei, whom you have already seen someone write, and be done with it.
you wish for an art critique, really. It's not he doesn't make statements about art. When we do listen him that's all h3 talks aboutYou could have Hokusai as a character making statements about art at large, or you could make him a tentacle monster and be done with it.
By making him a kid? Sure you can say his personality fits but even then it's not completemy accurate either. Or are you telling me the real Hans was someone who was lazy and worried about deadlines?Weird how when Nasu writes Hans Christian Andersen, though, he actually tries to write him as he thinks Hans Christian Andersen would act and speak.
tl;dr Sakurai and Higashide are poor and cowardly writers, don't @ me
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He's just basically choosing servants that doesn't fit his taste and criticize them, and fail to see the flaws that he consider ok
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Calling Mephistopheles the devil who helped Faust is his work. He is very clearly based on him in particular. But someone was too lazy to read a book, and that's how we got that clown guy nobody wants to roll or level. Why would you make him that? There's nothing to FGO Mephistopheles. Just nothing. He's more boring than Jar Jar Binks. This, while being a stand in for one of the most famous and controversial literary characters of all time.
How can you not be let down by this?
I mean it's overplayed to the other side. Shakespeare is a personification of Skakespeare's books, because that's all they thought they have to work with, and that's incredibly boring compared to, for example, working with how he suddenly started writing fantasy at some point, or how he may or may not have been one person.Shakes personality is often played for laughs but that observational part of him is still there, always there. Shakespeare is the personification of the theater with all it's drama and posturing, thats where his character comes from. Don't like, okay you don't like it simple as that. But there is no true interpretation. This is just one that Shakes creator wished to go by(which isn't Higa by the way) just like yours could have also made sense
It's weird. Shakespeare should be really easy to write considering nobody can nuh-uh them on what Shakespeare was actually like. But they choose to make him into the contents of his books and leave it there. It does not offend, but it's a potential wasted.
As a stonesculptor, it's very generic. Almost like the person who wrote him didn't know much about it.you wish for an art critique, really. It's not he doesn't make statements about art. When we do listen him that's all h3 talks about
His faults are forgivable in light of Nasu trying to accomplish something greater with him, and making him comment on the meta of CCC as much as he did. He basically makes Kiara a good character all on his own. I don't think what you're talking about is really CCC Hans.By making him a kid? Sure you can say his personality fits but even then it's not completemy accurate either. Are are you telling me the real Hans was someone who was lazy and worried about deadlines?
Still waiting warmly for that one servant who will just be some chick who is not a heroic spirit but it was the only art they had at hand, and she's a 4* Berserker, because, uh, just whatever. She punches kicks people in the balls. Takao finished drawing her yesterday but we're not sure who she is yet, she doesn't look like anyone really. We'll call her the Mysterious Servant Who Kicks People in the Balls and never give her any content like an interlude beyond having her kick Lancelot in the balls in her mandatory story appearance.
Then, at last, FGO will be free of those pesky Grail War rules. Who needs them, anyway?
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Pay attention. I am illustrating a common theme of low risk writing and appealing to the lowest common denominator with these.
Where is this new servant who Kicks Men In the Balls?
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It's just Tamamo innit?
Summer Tamamo?
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Well she has balls in her name so probably.
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No, you still don't fucking get it. The mixing CONTEXT is what you don't get. Thanks god the JP wiki for Daijizaiten straight up pointed out what the confusion was so I can shut you up for good. It is not "there's a Ishanaten that is Izanagi and there is Shiva whose name is Ishanaten being confused with each other". The mixing is that there are two DAIJIZAITEN.
- First Daijizaiten is Shiva who is also known as Ishanaten, this is the guardian of Northwest in Shingon Buddhism. He is said to be living in the Kunlun mountain in China with his wife (Parvati), said to also be incorporation to Xiwangmu (the guardian goddess of Kunlun and governs the Immortal Peach for the Xian) because Xiwangmu's appearance is sometimes described to be ferocious similar to Kali/Durga - an aspect of Parvati. The Huxian (equivalent of Japan's fox god Inari) is said to be the attendant of Xiwangmu, or sometimes children of Xiwangmu, and Tamamo suspiciously referenced Huxian in Extella. You don't even need to go the Shiva = Izanagi route to connect him to be the daddy of the nine tailed fox my dude, some China monks did it first.
- Second Daijizaiten is the SON of the first Daijizaiten, an alternate name for Kangiten who is Japan's name for GANESHA, Shiva's child who was decapitated by him similar to Hi no Kagutsuchi got killed by Izanagi.
Notice how the line in the mats said Daijizaiten but not directly Shiva? Because there are 2 fucking Daijizaiten being confused with each other (the first Daijizaiten being confused with the 2nd Daijizaiten that is his son). Shiva pretty much got confused with his son Ganesha, or in other words Izanagi got confused with his son Hi no Kagutsuchi.
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Also to continue as much as I like Fran I find it a damn shame for the book Frakenstien, which I woupd have interesting also. Fran is more on a take on part of the book but mostly of the movies and subverting by making her the bride. Interesting but I'd prefer more of og since I don't like their take on Victor. That said just want to point out Fran isn't Higa's, she's completely Meteo's. Again get the author right.
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