Things that annoy you in TM

[RoydGolden]

Nationality is to some degree a social construct anyways.

[castor212]

I jealously protect the right of Greek vowels to not all be pronounced as the same bloody thing.

Macedonians don't become Greek just because their nobility develops an educational interest

i think im just uneducated here because i really dont get it guys

[2Bad]

Nationality is to some degree a social construct anyways.

Thanks for clarifying

[RoydGolden]

Thanks for clarifying

You're welcome.

[Seika]

i think im just uneducated here because i really dont get it guys

I am being a Classicist. In the job description is "mocks modern things in order to make it seem like everything is just as worthless as my irrelevant degree". To that end, I'm exaggerating things I find weird and dumb about modern Greek, like its bizarrely homogenised pronunciation.

Rodyle doesn't like Greeks, so is denying the Greekness of Alexander the Great to stop them scoring nationalist points. This is controversial and has been since before Alexander was born.

[2Bad]

That's a really fascinating lie you just told

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Like, for real, way to escalate


e:
Person 1: Joking comment about Language
Person 2: Joking comment about history
Person 3: Joking comment about drink
Person 1: 2 IS RACIST

[castor212]

My word.

[Seika]

e:
Person 1: Joking comment about Language
Person 2: Joking comment about history
Person 3: Joking comment about drink
Person 1: 2 IS RACIST

In the context of posts 1, 2, and 3, maybe it would behoove you to consider that post 4 wasn't totally serious. You might further be led to this conclusion by the fact, for example, that post 4 described it as my job to mock modern things. I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there.

[2Bad]

A questionable assertion, considering that 4 distinguishes itself from 1-3 in being an utterly straight faced attack on a specific individual.

[Seika]

Keeping a straight face is generally considered a skill when you tell jokes, it's true.

[Hawkeye]

I only just realised the person with the weird triangle avatar is Seika, I've been thinking you were You for like a week.

[You]

I only just realised the person with the weird triangle avatar is Seika, I've been thinking you were You for like a week.

rude
i only have qt avatars or advertisements for things I don't believe in but might be persuaded to believe in if there's almost something in it for me to refuse.

[SpoonyViking]

Couldn't have been You. You doesn't display a tenth of Seika's disdain for others. :-P

[Hawkeye]

denying the Greekness of Alexander the Great to stop them scoring nationalist points. This is controversial and has been since before Alexander was born.

Anyway, to get this back on point of something that isn't insulting people, Looking at ye olde mappe of Macedonia, it seems half of it was in modern day Greece, and given that Greece at the time a like a half dozen city states, most of which contribute at least one hero now claimed as Greek, not to mention the spanning of Archaic Greek colonies, Alexander's own empire, and the general trend of people to migrate at times, I'd say he's about as closely related to the Greeks as Cu Chulainn is to the modern Ulster man, so I don't see an issue calling him Greek, especially since, by Grail War rules, summoning him in that area would rack up a big ass bonus for him.

[SeiKeo]

I'm glad you managed to opine on a complex historical, political, and cultural issue by looking at a map once and then guessing.

[RoydGolden]

I'm glad you managed to opine on a complex historical, political, and cultural issue by looking at a map once and then guessing.

And your meticulously researched historical opinion on the matter is...?

[Mcjon01]

Probably ironic.

[Hawkeye]

I'm glad you managed to opine on a complex historical, political, and cultural issue by looking at a map once and then guessing.

I could've made a ten thousand word essay out of it, but I didn't feel the nation of origin of a very very very dead conqueror from a light novel really warranted it. It would only be read by fans of said novel, many of whom have access to and have likely reviewed the same, if not better data than I have, but thanks for taking my good natured attempt to get us off insulting one another right back on track by having a dig, appreciate it.

Anyway, if you so wish a more in depth answer, the current state of affairs in Macedonia seems to be a culture largely influenced by Yugoslavia and the descent of Southern Slavs into the region, making the ethnic and cultural heritage of the area in relation to Ancient Macedonians, people dubiously identified in ancient sources, sketchy at best, leaving the people in modern time with the seemingly closest cultural sphere to Alexander, modern day Greeks. I hope this better illuminates my view for you.

[SpoonyViking]

You shouldn't look at historical contexts from the point of view of modern ones, though. It's not as if Otto von Bismarck is a Polish figure just because half of what used to be Prussia is now a part of Poland, for instance.

[Hawkeye]

You shouldn't look at historical contexts from the point of view of modern ones, though. It's not as if Otto von Bismarck is a Polish figure just because half of what used to be Prussia is now a part of Poland, for instance.

Eh, I really find it's more of a case by case. Depending on what's happened in the area the hero originates from since the time of their death/legend it can be easy to pin down where their cultural impact / point of origin is. Some however do make it more of a pain in the butt.

I remember getting into an argument with Christemo one time because he insisted Jekyll was Scottish, because the author was in Scotland at the time of writing the story. This just seemed daft to me since the story is based entirely in London and is about a doctor who lived thereseemingly all his life.This led to a whole stupid back and forth that somehow got Beowulf involved to which I basically had to argue that, while he may not be Danish or whatever, it's not like he's English either, despite that being the origin of his story.

Anyway, that's dredging up a whole other thing that doesn't need to be dredged. The point is, that in some cases, even if the country a hero is from doesn't even exist anymore, eg. Gilgamesh, there's no denying that his geographic and cultural influence is strong in its modern equivalent. On the other hand, while Macedonia still exists today, it's debatably not the same Macedonia for whom Alexander is easily one of their greatest culture heroes. Leaving Greece a natural second, especially considering things like Greek Colonies, human migration and Alexander's own empire.